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Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by JCattheATM »

danaris wrote: post #164
JCattheATM wrote: post #161

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> It's funny how people say that: "You'll get more conservative as you grow older". So far that hasn't happened. It's not from 20 to 40, it's from like 50 to 70, as peoples critical thinking skills go and they become more gullible, more susceptible to manipulation and misinformation. It remains to be seen if it will happen with a tech savvy elderly population though.

No; what you describe is certainly a phenomenon that exists, but it's not primarily what people talk about when they say that you'll get more conservative when you get older. IME, what they mean is two different things: First, the fact that it can be hard to keep up with change—technological, cultural, all types—for several decades straight. When the world changes dramatically between when you're 10 and when you're 3…

> No; what you describe is certainly a phenomenon that exists, but it's not primarily what people talk about when they say that you'll get more conservative when you get older.

Strongly disagree. I think it's exactly what is being referred to most of the time.

> Why in my day, we paid with credit cards by running an imprinter over them with a big ka-chunk, and we liked it! None of this newfangled chip and pin garbage. There are too many chips in things anyway! Etc.

Right, this comes down to a decrease in critical thinking ability.

> Starting with younger Gen X and elder Millennials, we just haven't had the opportunities to grow our wealth that our parents and grandparents did at the same ages. We're still identifying with the younger people who don't and can't own homes.

Right, but this has nothing to do with going conservative, but in needing to overhaul the system that allows hording wealth.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by dingaling »

cedws wrote: post #17

I was too young to vote in the referendum. I’m incredibly angry about having lost freedom of movement. If the UK by some miracle rejoins the EU I will make the jump to Europe the very same day. Still looking for a way out in the meantime. The UK just keeps kicking young people down. The boomers voting against our interests are whipping us into working to pay for their triple locked pensions.

> I'm incredibly angry about having lost freedom of movement.

I think this was indicative of much of the thinking on both sides of the debate though; focusing tightly on a single, subjective aspect for or against.

"Why the EU is important / abhorrent to me right now?" rather than something like "What is the anticipated future nature of the EU and what does that mean for the UK?"

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by snark_attack »

ycucucjc wrote: post #167
breakyerself wrote: post #113

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> 72% Somalis are on welfare and the same stats are in West Europe. This is bullshit. Donald Trump isn't a credible source on statistics about immigration. The highest percentage I can find for food stamps is 54% and a high percentage of food stamps recipients are employed. https://cis.org/Report/Somali-Immigrants-Minnesota?utm_sourc... Asylum seekers in the US are a net positive source of revenue. They also create j…

A mere 54%.

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Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by snark_attack »

kjksf wrote: post #92
breakyerself wrote: post #72

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Because the establishment knows how integral to the economy immigration is and because it isn't that easy to stop even for an island. Unless you want to shut down tourism and trade.

Based on what data? The immigration we're talking about, the one of Africans etc. immigrants flooding west, is destructive to the economies based on pretty much every statistic I've seen. Those immigrants are on welfare in disproportional numbers compared to native population. E.g. in US 72% Somalis are on welfare and the same stats are in West Europe. They cost the state gigantic amount of money. And per-capita crim…

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Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by alecco »

breakyerself wrote: post #72
blfr wrote: post #59

It is constantly shocking to me that no matter how many times and where in the west people vote against immigration (which is what most of these votes boil down to), they can never get it. It's truly a crown in the gutter moment where you can be completely off-the-wall nuts (vide AfD) and, if you're just willing to campaign on anti-immigration, your ranks will instantly swell. Yet the establishment is somehow complet…

Because the establishment knows how integral to the economy immigration is and because it isn't that easy to stop even for an island. Unless you want to shut down tourism and trade.

> Because the establishment

Let me fix that for you: because the establishment is owned by the corporations who want to suppress wages, rise demand, pump gross GDP, and pump real estate.

And because governments running on deficits are slaves to the banking cartel, too.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by sgt »

ksec wrote: post #118
sgt wrote: post #58

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UK did not need the EU for trade agreements. Those can be set up separately. There were a number of examples where the UK kept losing control, and instead having the EU try to determine the direction. This led to loss in sovereignty and freedom. Sadly though it doesn't seem like the UK politicians are taking advantage of this (regulatory, laws, borders, immigrations etc) just yet, but at least now it's possible. My p…

I dont disagree with you on the chain of thoughts, the only problem is your thesis assumes UK could go back to its glory and superpower. Remembered by many during and after the World War II. And innovate to stand on its own, without the support of EU. All of that is theoretically possible. And a very admirable goal to have. The problem is modern Britain is no longer what it once was. From Strategy to execution it is…

> From Strategy to execution it is increasingly rare to find a field where they lead, and more often then not talents that produces value are captured by the US.

Yes, you're right. That's a major concern.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by sgt »

drcongo wrote: post #110
sgt wrote: post #58

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UK did not need the EU for trade agreements. Those can be set up separately. There were a number of examples where the UK kept losing control, and instead having the EU try to determine the direction. This led to loss in sovereignty and freedom. Sadly though it doesn't seem like the UK politicians are taking advantage of this (regulatory, laws, borders, immigrations etc) just yet, but at least now it's possible. My p…

> This led to loss in sovereignty and freedom I think you need to expand on this into some kind of actual, tangible result, this is just feelings. And even for feelings, it's nonsense - before Brexit my kids could legally move and work anywhere in the EU, how are they more free now?

Indeed more difficult but shouldn't be an issue, just a bit more admin work to apply for visas etc.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by 0_____0 »

Smaug123 wrote: post #108
0_____0 wrote: post #65

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I was reading about UK housing and had to look up "rising damp." We don't have that here, or at least not to the level we need a word for it.

The UK climate never really stops being moist, and our houses are routinely at least a hundred years old and made of brick, built before we knew how to deal with damp and built without AC. If we rebuilt everything we'd fix it, but we can't.

new england is also pretty wet but because it freezes, we have basements (not sure about UK), so the stonework is below the habitable levels.

i get what you mean about not being able to fix it. from what it sounds like, the UK is leading the US by about 10-20 years in terms of "energy leaving the system."

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