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EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Post by seba_dos1 »

sschueller wrote: post #119
Reason077 wrote: post #98

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Removable batteries were standard in the early days of mobile phones (and laptops) out of necessity: batteries in those days just weren’t very good. They didn’t last long, took hours to charge, and wore out relatively quickly. You’d carry a spare battery around and swap over when your first one ran out. Now days, there is much less need for that because a charge lasts much longer, and if you do run low you can fast c…

Not true, they may have not been as good but the phones also didn't need so much power. I never had to buy a new battery for all the nokias I owned all the way until Nokia the company died. The phone that had the worst battery was the first iphone, it wasn't water proof either yet the battery was non removable.

I remember how jarring it was to switch to the early smartphones that had to be charged daily. I was a teenager back then and my parents weren't happy to see my phone being plugged in every day. They caught up with times a few years later ;P

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Post by pvaldes »

wolvoleo wrote: post #140
pvaldes wrote: post #56

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An electric car battery can give 400-800 volt. Enough to kill or cause serious burn damage, unless the time of exposure is really short. Over 500 Volt is classified in medicine as high voltage accident. Carelessly manipulating this batteries at home is not a smart idea.

Who says I'm careless? And 400V is pretty standard in homes here too (though to be fair one individual phase is 240 but still..). If you have a heat pump or a sizeable electric stove you will already have 400V.

People do all sort of crazy things with their cars, because the fearsome "brother-in-law effect". ("Hey, what a nice diesel injection pump do you have here, lets add the frying chips oil to 'clean' it!"). Of course they end with a broken car, while refusing adamantly to admit that the car is broken.

I'll shamelessly take advantage of your experience. Lets assume that you are trying to repair a sizeable electric stove, with or without wheels; what advice would you give to avoid being zapped?

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Post by tolerance »

gruez wrote: post #142
tolerance wrote: post #137

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If I were to tell you that the examples you selected depict you as a bigot how would you react?

Freedom of speech is exactly for unpopular (or "bigot") opinions. You don't need freedom of speech to protect you from saying that puppies are cute.

And how is popularity determined?

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Post by vladvasiliu »

ruszki wrote: post #162
peterfirefly wrote: post #155

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I don't know what's wrong. Maybe an app that runs too much when it shouldn't? I know that the Facebook app used to be a battery killer roughly a decade ago. The battery on the Pixel 6a should be good enough to make the phone run a whole day with no problem. It's almost exactly the same size as the battery in my iPhone 16e that has excellent battery life.

My iPhone, when it was new, 3 and a half years ago, could handle two days, while I used it heavily, with hotspot on for hours at places where signal was terrible. GPS was almost always on. And I used it heavily because I was on the go a lot. Two years later it couldn’t handle 12 hours if I use hotspot the same way for half the time as before, because I travel less, and even for that I needed to optimize already some…

I'm starting to think there's some variation / luck of the dray to these things. My iPhone 14 pro is like what you describe: when new, it held a great charge; now, not so much. But my HP laptops have the "limit charge to 80%" thing, and the battery held up very well. I don't use those laptops on battery very often, but they usually last several hours. They were rated for 5 hours I think, so it's close enough.

I'd really love to know the reasoning behind not allowing this charge-limit thing to older iPhones, since AFAIK the 15 and up have it.

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Post by Reason077 »

KronisLV wrote: post #133
Reason077 wrote: post #98

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Removable batteries were standard in the early days of mobile phones (and laptops) out of necessity: batteries in those days just weren’t very good. They didn’t last long, took hours to charge, and wore out relatively quickly. You’d carry a spare battery around and swap over when your first one ran out. Now days, there is much less need for that because a charge lasts much longer, and if you do run low you can fast c…

> Now days, there is much less need for that because a charge lasts much longer, and if you do run low you can fast change in 30 minutes or so. Not buying extra spare batteries for every device means less e-waste, not more! My current iPhone's battery capacity is already starting to decrease and it was never great to begin with (needed it for work). If it was replaceable, I'd do what I used to with Android phones yea…

All iPhone batteries are replaceable. And since the iPhone 16 or so, they’ve already improved the design to make it compliant with the EU battery regulation.

It’s the Apple Watch, AirPods, etc that are more of a concern...

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Post by Reason077 »

nutjob2 wrote: post #153
Reason077 wrote: post #98

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Removable batteries were standard in the early days of mobile phones (and laptops) out of necessity: batteries in those days just weren’t very good. They didn’t last long, took hours to charge, and wore out relatively quickly. You’d carry a spare battery around and swap over when your first one ran out. Now days, there is much less need for that because a charge lasts much longer, and if you do run low you can fast c…

You're confusing swappable with replaceable. It's not for when you run out of power its for when the battery stops holding a charge. Phones almost always last much longer than their batteries.

I’m not, I’m just explaining why swap-ability is no longer as necessary or useful as it once was, and unlikely to make a comeback.

Smartphones have always had replaceable batteries, and in the case of the iPhone, they’ve been compliant with the upcoming EU battery regulation since the iPhone 16 or so.

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Post by peterfirefly »

joecool1029 wrote: post #165
peterfirefly wrote: post #91

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> Removable batteries were the industry standard in the early days of mobile phones, and it worked perfectly. Phones back then were bad (so accommodating replaceable batteries was easy), and batteries degraded quickly (so it was a necessity). Modern phones are smaller, need to be more water proof, stuffed to an unimaginable degree with components -- and modern batteries last a really long time. I am not so sure it's…

> My iPhone SE (1st gen) ended up being pushed apart from the inside last year because the battery had swelled up. Let’s put aside that this is a 10 year old phone now and well and truly obsolete, you actually didn’t get the basic maintenance done. Batteries all fail and degrade with time, especially if abused and left in extreme heat. The original SE had perhaps the most user replaceable battery in an iPhone. No par…

Please reread what you are replying to and who wrote what.

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Post by peterfirefly »

tim333 wrote: post #157
peterfirefly wrote: post #91

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> Removable batteries were the industry standard in the early days of mobile phones, and it worked perfectly. Phones back then were bad (so accommodating replaceable batteries was easy), and batteries degraded quickly (so it was a necessity). Modern phones are smaller, need to be more water proof, stuffed to an unimaginable degree with components -- and modern batteries last a really long time. I am not so sure it's…

I had the battery go in my first gen iPhone SE. I had it replaced for £40 and the thing is quite handy as a spare handset although as you say it's underspeced as an everyday phone.

It's still in my drawer because I am considering doing exactly that.

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Post by gruez »

tolerance wrote: post #173
gruez wrote: post #142

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Freedom of speech is exactly for unpopular (or "bigot") opinions. You don't need freedom of speech to protect you from saying that puppies are cute.

And how is popularity determined?

Where is this going?

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Post by mancerayder »

jszymborski wrote: post #149
peterfirefly wrote: post #91

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> Removable batteries were the industry standard in the early days of mobile phones, and it worked perfectly. Phones back then were bad (so accommodating replaceable batteries was easy), and batteries degraded quickly (so it was a necessity). Modern phones are smaller, need to be more water proof, stuffed to an unimaginable degree with components -- and modern batteries last a really long time. I am not so sure it's…

Tell that to my Pixel 6a which hardly holds a charge over a day.

Pixels have lasted about 1 year for me historically (I started with the first pixel and had every other one in the lineup, now the 10). It forced me to buy new ones. ETA 1 year of battery before it noticeably degrades.

I might be doing something wrong, but battery life always degraded for me. I've even bought the same Pixel on eBay when it stopped being sold by Google, so I can save money on buying the latest.

My Pixel 8 had to be replaced because the screen starting randomly detecting presses in a spasmic fury, which would happen with no known correlation.

There are NO new features worth getting on the new Pixels. I love taking photos - insider tip - huge megapixel sensors don't make better photos.

I liked the pixels that had the fingerprint sensor on the back best

Years ago I had and loved the Samsung phones with replaceable batteries.

I buy new ones because they make me, not because I chase as aesthetic novelty like a stereotypical Apple consumer.

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