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Re: European Tech Alternatives

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Both those places are heavily government controlled. In fact international waters if you're not flagged and registered to a specific country, then it's open season for anyone to board and seize you.

Which is something the US has demonstrated so clearly recently.

This shows that if you want real freedom on the high seas, you need a submarine. Captain Nemo had the right idea.

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You are clearly misinformed. According to German law, you can start a UG (limited) with only 1€ + notary cost. Starting a business with personal liability doesn't cost anything.

Businesses with personal liability don't count. They might as well not exist. AG or nothing.

It's beyond me why anyone would downvote that. An UG is uninvestable, and a GmbH would also scare most investors. Anything but an AG is not going to work.

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How about European ASML? > Europe needs a single market for capital and the removal of legal barriers to extend across the continent, foremost for the little guy. ?!? You can trivially sell your software inside the EU. As for software that I use almost daily: OsmAnd. LanguageTool, which is spell-checking this message, is made in Germany. IntelliJ products are made in Czechia, and I'm using them right now.

You can sell products anywhere but you’re battling 27 different sets of rules and legislations. Look at how a burger shop becomes a continent wide franchise overnight and you’ll see how that’s impossible in the EU. We just lack the regulatory freedom and deep financial markets, access to credit, etc.

There are 50 different sets of regulations in the US though and lately even federal regulations have been "changeable" shall we say from year to year.

Just ask Moderna

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Every time I see an idea like this (or a politician talking about tech 'sovereignty') I feel sad for the 20-year-old me who really believed in the declaration of the independence of cyberspace. > Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have…

> I feel sad for the 20-year-old me who really believed in the declaration of the independence of cyberspace. Cyberspace depends on physical reality and everything that comes from that. Resource constraints, economics, politics, arms races, warfare, etc.

As someone who remembers my local ISP come home to install a router and fiddle with cables when I was a child, saw governments block and censor specific parts of it, and had a weeklong ordeal getting PPPoE on my own router to work with my ISP just recently, this seems immediately intuitive and understandable. Frankly I'm surprised it wasn't for some people, at any point.

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Businesses with personal liability don't count. They might as well not exist. AG or nothing.

It's beyond me why anyone would downvote that. An UG is uninvestable, and a GmbH would also scare most investors. Anything but an AG is not going to work.

What are you talking about..? A GmbH is the German equivalent of an Ltd. An AG is a publicly traded company and thus not something investors are looking for. Also, the majority of companies in Germany are just ordinary eigetragene Kaufmänner (so normal businesspeople like your average plumber), or GmbH (literally any other company that isn’t a stock market traded enterprise).

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I made two assertions and I believe both are true. You seem to be stretching what I said to some form of "and ASML has done nothing else on top", which I didn't say. Maybe I should reduce "their core tech" to EUV, but that's clearly what I meant if you look up the history of the company.

No, I just didn't find any evidence that ASML licences "their core tech" from US. Let it be EUV but I still can't find any sources on it. Do you have some?

You can paste that comment exactly as you wrote it into any search engine or LLM and get your answer.

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No, I just didn't find any evidence that ASML licences "their core tech" from US. Let it be EUV but I still can't find any sources on it. Do you have some?

You can paste that comment exactly as you wrote it into any search engine or LLM and get your answer.

The burden of proof is on you my friend.

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I briefly went thought the list - a lot of hosted systems (probably kubernetes underneath etc). This is not unique or anything. The list is quite sus ;) did you know that cockroachdb is a German company? :) it’s in the list. And this is like 3rd company in the category that I was checking https://eutechmap.com/company/cockroachdb —— On more sad note. Europe still loves their old money, (hidden) class system and deepl…

The fact is that Europe is a lot of things. You have the British class system (not that hidden), you have French and German bureaucracy, but you also have the unique combination of egalitarianism and mercantilism in Scandinavia and the Netherlands, and the zeal of Polish progressivism, shared by a number of their former east block neighbors. There are places in Europe where you can easily achieve a higher standard of…

The capital situation is especially dumb. There's been a lot of debate recently in Denmark about why our pension funds invest a lot of money in US venture capital funds that then invest in Danish startups that have moved to the Bay Area. The same money could have been invested in the same startups here in Europe.

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That is false. You can absolutely found a company by just getting an entry as a merchant here with neither of the things you listed. If you want to found a limited liability company though, then yes, you need some monetary backing to cover for fuckups (likely the 25k are not fully covering it anyway) and a notary to make it official.

No, you CANNOT found a company like that. It’s an absolute fabrication. You also seem to somehow justify spending 25k on an endeavor you don’t know will succeed upfront, when every other country on the planet allows you to open one with orders of magnitude smaller amounts of capital. You can open a UK LTD in a few days with 12GBP. Similar in DK/NL/CZ… the list goes on. I’ve learned firsthand that germans will bend ov…

Needing to put in >1000 EUR in starting capital is not uncommon. The "cheapest Danish limited liability company, the Aps needs 20k DKK up front, i.e. ~3000 EUR. In Sweden an AB needs 25k SEK, ~2300 EUR.

And you can always dissolve the company and take the capital out again tax free, so what's the big deal?

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We have been overly reliant on non-European partners we could trust and rely on. That is now gone. So right now is a good opportunity for Europe to focus inward. Imagine having all the social benefits AND tech. We also need to make sure keep malignant actors like the USA & Russia at bay. One can dream.

Yes, I agree. But it was Europe that has become complacent and lazy. "Doing good" is more important than "doing right". As a result, with energy prices high, dependence on Russia only increased, and car manufacturers (Stellantis, Mercedes -50% revenue) are dying as have shipbuilders before them.

Dependence on Russia is quite sharply down. In Q1 2022 the EU imported 63 billion EUR worth of goods from Russia, in Q3 2025 only 5.7 billion. So down 90%.

In terms of fossil fuels:

- Russia isn't even in the top 6 oil supplies of the EU. The top 6 are USA, Norway, Kazakhstan, Saudi Arabia, Libya and Iraq. They make up ~60% of EU oil imports.

- In raw natural gas: Norway, Algeria, UK and Azerbaijan supply 81% of EU imports.

- In liquefied natural gas: USA, Qatar and Algeria supply 68% of EU imports.

Add to that Dutch and Danish North Sea oil and gas and it's evident the EU is not "dependent" on Russia.

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