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Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by stackghost »

throwerxyz wrote: post #141
petesergeant wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla came from nowhere, developed essentially one world-dominating product (lumping the 3 and Y together), then the CEO basically ruined everything. It seems strange to attribute only the fall -- and not the rise -- to the CEO

There exists a huge amount of Musk derangement syndrome these days. Elon Musk is a great businessman and develops great products for general consumers. There is not much wrong with him other than his online persona... which most normal people can ignore. He's probably more normal than any other business leader. What's weird is people lumping in some of Elon's actions with falls in Tesla sales as if he didn't: 1. Pred…

>Elon Musk is a great businessman and develops great products for general consumers.

The only thing he's great at is creating the illusion of genius.

He didn't found Tesla, despite his title. He's not an engineer at SpaceX, despite his title. He spent 44 billion on Twitter which is most certainly losing money hand over fist. The Boring Company is a flop. Tesla is famously anything but a car company because their cars are mediocre in every way except the battery range.

SpaceX is his only real success, but then again SpaceX only succeeded because of massive government funding, which Elon would happily decry as communism if the money went to anyone else.

He's not a genius and not a particularly good businessman. He's just a normie with Daddy's emerald mine money, who got lucky with a large severance package when he was fired from Paypal for being terrible, and now uses his wealth to create a cult of personality.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by loandbehold »

tempestn wrote: post #135
jdross wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am so confused when I read things like this because my Tesla model 3 is effectively self driving for me for months now. Hundreds of miles without intervention. No other car I can buy can do this yet

Based on the self driving trials in my Model Y, I find it terrifying that anyone trusts it to drive them around. It required multiple interventions in a single 10-minute drive last time I tried it.

I'm using FSD for 100% of my driving and only need to intervene maybe once a week. It's usually because the car is not confident of too slow, not because it's doing something dangerous. Two years ago it was very different where almost every trip I needed to intervene to avoid crash. The progress they have made is truly amazing.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by 3rodents »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #168

So, let's try to guess: is Tesla going to be dominating robots and autonomous driving, and worth $10T, or at some point this castle of cards will fall to the ground?

My predictions:

1. Tesla does not dominate robots or autonomous driving, it fades away 2. Tesla’s stock price exceeds $10T after it is shoe-horned into being a part of SpaceXAIBoringTesla

Musk is almost certainly too big to fail at this point. The cult of personality and SpaceX give him a lot of room for financial engineering, he doesn’t need Tesla.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by kevin061 »

twilo wrote: post #152

Their cars today are much better than when sales were at their peak. Getting politics to get in the way of good engineering is a real shame.

I do not consider removing redundant sensors like lidar or infrared from the comprehensive Tesla sensor network and pretending that cameras can do FSD perfectly a good example of engineerring.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by wolvoleo »

jdross wrote: post #106
TulliusCicero wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot of true believers who think Tesla+Musk will crack self driving and/or humanoid robots any day now.

I am so confused when I read things like this because my Tesla model 3 is effectively self driving for me for months now. Hundreds of miles without intervention. No other car I can buy can do this yet

Can you watch a Netflix and have a beer while it's driving? No? Then it's not self driving.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by ncallaway »

seydor wrote: post #105

Y all need to realize that Tesla is a humanoid android company now, and soon will dive into teleportation, immortality and invisibility.

I gotta give Musk credit. I continue to think his grift has reached the end of the road, and I'm always shocked at how credulously the market follows him onto the next grift while immediately forgetting the prior one.

The market is far more naive and credulous than I anticipated, and Musk seems to understand much better than I just how fucking moronic most market participants are.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by plugger »

seydor wrote: post #105

Y all need to realize that Tesla is a humanoid android company now, and soon will dive into teleportation, immortality and invisibility.

No it's not, it's a car company. It may be moving to robots, but for companies to survive they require products and profits, neither of which seem to be real when it comes to Optimus. According to Musk commercial sales may begin in 2027 with wider consumer availability in 2028. I don't know about you, but when I hear Elon Musk state that something will be real in 2 years I don't believe it at all. This is the exact same playbook with FSD, Mars, etc.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by Neil44 »

pseingatl wrote: post #2

BYD is a formidable competitor and a great product for less.

It's strange to me that some Americans will cheer on Chinese companies over Tesla, even overlooking those companies questionable labour practices. (I don't know if you're American)

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by plugger »

jackvalentine wrote: post #25

I just ordered a 37,000AUD BYD, the "$25k (USD) car" that Elon used to promise was coming. Seems like I'm not the only one with 2779 BYD EVs sold in the country in January compared to just 501 Teslas.[1] [1] https://business.carsales.com.au/news-room/news/vfacts-janua...

You're definitely not alone! I just took delivery of a new BYD Shark 6 on Monday. It's amazing and I paid $41k USD ($57,900 AUD) for it. Before that was available I was planning on punting on a used Hilux.

I'm charging my Shark right now and I couldn't be happier. I expect my fuel bill (it's a PHEV) to drop by 70-80% when compared to the 2010 Commodore wagon I was driving last week.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by satvikpendem »

plugger wrote: post #177
seydor wrote: post #105

Y all need to realize that Tesla is a humanoid android company now, and soon will dive into teleportation, immortality and invisibility.

No it's not, it's a car company. It may be moving to robots, but for companies to survive they require products and profits, neither of which seem to be real when it comes to Optimus. According to Musk commercial sales may begin in 2027 with wider consumer availability in 2028. I don't know about you, but when I hear Elon Musk state that something will be real in 2 years I don't believe it at all. This is the exact s…

They are being sarcastic.
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