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Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

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Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

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Which swiss owns switzerland? Switzerland is 42000 sq km. Can you show me land deeds by owners that cover the entire area?

Well, you can start with Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantons_of_Switzerland#Constit... Then, you could reach out to the Cantons and ask about individual parcels or titles. We can measure whether they have ownership by testing if they respond to trespass, maybe by constructing a building and seeing they mobilize a response. Where do you want to move the goalposts next?

You are the one who made this really odd claim, you do the homework and show me, otherwise retract your nonsense. Who is they? Unless they physically own a title to the land the building was being made on, why should they get any say? You are the one said swiss "own" switzerland, so you need to show me the sum total of all private land deeds covers the entirely of switzerland. Not your land, not your decision. And unless you can produce an actual land deed, "trespass" is completely bullshit.

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

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Because it's very likely against the Swiss constitution

"Against the Swiss constitution" doesn't really make sense here. This is a popular initiative; if accepted, it amends the Swiss constitution. Here's the text: https://www.bk.admin.ch/ch/d/pore/vi/vis555t.html The only way you could argue an initiative is "against the Swiss constitution" in my opinion would be if it runs afoul of the rules: https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/1999/404/en#tit_4/chap_2 Unless you want to…

You are right, I forgot how xenophobic my native Switzerland is. Unlike e.g. Germany, they don't really have something in the constitution regarding helping immigrants.

However, they do have Art. 7 (human dignity) and Art. 8 (equality before law), which applies not only to Swiss citizens, but to all humans. I don't know about you, but I would think that excluding refugees who need help because we already have 10M people in the country would be against their human dignity.

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

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Wouldn't a referendum to limit immigration be the way to reveal their preference? Obviously immigrants would tautologically prefer to move there. How is a citizen to "vote" against that via the market? Discriminate and refuse to rent/sell to any immigrants? Charge them more to try to offset their perceived loss of utility? What portion of the country is even in a position to be asked the question via the market?

No, because money is the only thing that measures value. People vote against their interests all the time.

>money is the only thing that measures value

This is hideous, and can't really be interfaced with as a human.

Re: Switzerland to vote on capping population at 10M

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where is this documented?

It's not, because it's a conspiracy theory. They'll make tenuous connections between unrelated things and extrapolate some grand scheme to match their fiction.

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2024/01/migration-model-sust...
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