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Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by commakozzi »

nobody_r_knows wrote: post #148
kimbernator wrote: post #48

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While I agree with you that the issue is far worse with larger vehicles, I do find that backing up in my wife's 2011 camry (without a backup camera) feels significantly less safe than I feel backing up my 2017 accord with a backup camera. I'm all for fixing the structural issue you are referring to, but I think the requirement for those cameras is sane in an age where the added cost to the manufacturer is miniscule.

As someone who can only afford cars that are 10+ years old, i've never owened a car with a backup camera. And in a way-- good. That part of my brain, let it continue to develop. I am much better at "feeling out" where a car is than my friends who rely on back up cameras.

unless you're Yoda or Luke Skywalker, you're not "feeling" a 4-year old walking behind you in your blind spot.

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Post by bluejekyll »

rkapsoro wrote: post #76
bobthepanda wrote: post #43

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It is crazy how many things are downstream of the structural issue where US regulations favor ginormous SUVs and pickups where this is a problem, but if we introduced legislation to fix this we would end up ruining US automakers which have pivoted almost entirely to this segment alone

Wait until you hear what kind of vehicles the CAFE regulatory framework has incentivized US automakers to build.

This is ultimately the thing that needs to be fixed. The exemption for small trucks was stupid, and it should have been reserved for literal farm equipment (as that was intended). The fact that SUVs slip by on this now has created such a dumb market.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by AngryData »

dylan604 wrote: post #109
AngryData wrote: post #99

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I mean you can buy add-on 3rd party backup cameras for like $20. They don't have any cost excuses for including backup cameras, camera sensors and display screens are literally cheaper than dirt.

That's great for cars built before the regulation were put into place. Without that regulation, you'd then be dependent on the end user purchasing an after market part and installing it. The vast majority of them won't. So if it is so important to have, you make it part of the car. They did not leave seat belts up to the owners to install after market versions.

My point is that if a 3rd party manufacturer can produce and sell a combination screen and camera for $20 for a profit, an automotive manufacturer has no reason to complain about the "expense" of such a setup. It is even cheaper for them than a 3rd party addon supplier since they buy in larger bulk and can integrate mounts for those devices into the car, rather than trying to devise some sort of one-size-fits-all mounting system that the addon manufacturers need.

They might as well be complaining about the costs of a rear view mirror, it is nonsense from the start. If a $20 gadget breaks the bank on a $30,000 minimum vehicle, they are a shitty business to start with and we should all be clapping our hands when they go out of business.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by mosburger »

nobody_r_knows wrote: post #148
kimbernator wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with you that the issue is far worse with larger vehicles, I do find that backing up in my wife's 2011 camry (without a backup camera) feels significantly less safe than I feel backing up my 2017 accord with a backup camera. I'm all for fixing the structural issue you are referring to, but I think the requirement for those cameras is sane in an age where the added cost to the manufacturer is miniscule.

As someone who can only afford cars that are 10+ years old, i've never owened a car with a backup camera. And in a way-- good. That part of my brain, let it continue to develop. I am much better at "feeling out" where a car is than my friends who rely on back up cameras.

I understand your skepticism 100%, but I suspect you might change your mind if you, say, rented a car with it for a week. It's definitely a net positive for safety, and it probably costs the auto maker less than the seat belts (literally).

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by pasquinelli »

Aurornis wrote: post #125
nsbk wrote: post #114

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The US averages 23 pedestrian deaths per million people per year. The EU averages 8. The US fatalities have increased by 50% since 2013, while in the EU have decreased by 25% in the same time frame. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/74/wr/mm7408a2.htm

What does this have to do with the comment you're replying to? The US was ahead of the EU in requiring backup cameras on new vehicles. The majority of pedestrian accidents aren't involved with backup cameras. Are you just trying to turn this into a US vs EU argument?

i think they're talking about the types of cars popular in the us vs. the eu.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by whynotmaybe »

pschastain wrote: post #37
whynotmaybe wrote: post #33

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You ask it to fix it. I've tried fixing some code manually and then reused an agent but it removed my fix. Once you vibe code, you don't look at the code.

> Once you vibe code, you don't look at the code. And therein lies the problem

Honestly I'm not so strongly opiniated now as I was a few weeks ago. I'm in a huge questioning phase about my work/craft/hobby.

I've worked places where junior made bad code that was accepted because the QA tests were ok.

I even had a situation in production where we had memory leaks because nobody tried to use it for more than 20 minutes when we knew that the app is used 24/7.

We aim for 99% quality when no-one wants it. No-one wants to pay for it.

Github is down to one 9 and I haven't heard them losing many clients, people just cope.

We've reached a level where we have so much ram that we find garbage collection and immutability normal, even desired.

We are wasting bandwidth by using json instead of binary because it's easier to read when have to debug, because it's easier to debug while running than to think before coding.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by DerArzt »

commakozzi wrote: post #171
nobody_r_knows wrote: post #148

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As someone who can only afford cars that are 10+ years old, i've never owened a car with a backup camera. And in a way-- good. That part of my brain, let it continue to develop. I am much better at "feeling out" where a car is than my friends who rely on back up cameras.

unless you're Yoda or Luke Skywalker, you're not "feeling" a 4-year old walking behind you in your blind spot.

If they are feeling it, the worst scenario has happened.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

munificent wrote: post #32
wasmainiac wrote: post #13

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> They use this game engine in the 2026 RAV4 Funny how “game engines” are now car parts in 2026. Can I just have an electric car that’s a car and nothing else? Seats, wheels pedals, mirrors, real buttons, no displays just a aux jack. I’d buy it, hell I might even take the risk and pre-order it

> no displays In the US, no. Backup cameras are required by federal law as of 2018. The intent of the law was to reduce the number of children killed by being backed over because the driver couldn't see them behind the car.

The Slate truck has a small backup camera integrated into the gauge cluster, and many vendors implement it in the rearview mirror itself.

It doesn't need to be a giant infotainment display.

Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter

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Post by pornel »

AngryData wrote: post #99
alt227 wrote: post #80

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Its not just the added cost, its the supply chain. Putting cameras into cars requires processors, ram, all manner of chips and compnents that a car didnt need before. There was the chip shortage during covid which held car production back becasue the auto makers couldnt source their chips fast enough. I am waiting to see if the current supply issue for ram chips modules will produce a similar effect.

I mean you can buy add-on 3rd party backup cameras for like $20. They don't have any cost excuses for including backup cameras, camera sensors and display screens are literally cheaper than dirt.

Legacy automakers still use these for upselling trims.

It's so silly when they make some "Advanced Technology Package" with a VGA camera and a 2-inches-bigger infotainment screen that's still worse than junk from Aliexpress, and charge $3000 extra for it.

I know it's just a profit-maximizing market segmentation, but I like to imagine their Nokia-loving CEO has just seen an iPad for the first time.

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