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Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by IhateAI »

cstrahan wrote: post #61
IhateAI wrote: post #6

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> Any self respecting engineer should recognize that these tools and models only serve to lower the value of your labor. Depends on what the aim of your labor is. Is it typing on a keyboard, memorizing (or looking up) whether that function was verb_noun() or noun_verb(), etc? Then, yeah, these tools will lower your value. If your aim is to get things done, and generate value, then no, I don't think these tools will l…

I'm not trying to signal superiority, I'm legitimately worried about the value of my livelihood and skills I'm passionate about. What if McDonalds went around telling chefs that they're cooking wrong, that there's no reason to cook food in a traditional manner when you can increase profit and speed with their methods?

It would be insulting, they'd get screamed out of the kitchen. Now imagine they're telling those chefs they're going to enforce those methods on them regardless whether they like it or not.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by astrange »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #139
freeone3000 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it could do anything that a junior dev could, that’d be a valid point of comparison. But it continually, wildly performs slower and falls short every time I’ve tried.

But it continually, wildly performs slower and falls short every time I’ve tried. If it falls short every time you've tried, it's likely that one or more of these is true: A. You're working on some really deep thing that only world-class expects can do, like optimizing graphics engines for AAA games. B. You're using a language that isn't in the top ~10 most popular in AI models' training sets. C. You have an opportun…

> A. You're working on some really deep thing that only world-class expects can do, like optimizing graphics engines for AAA games.

This is a relatively common skill. One thing I always notice about the video game industry is it's much more globally distributed than the rest of the software industry.

Being bad at writing software is Japan's whole thing but they still make optimized video games.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

dangus wrote: post #136
logicx24 wrote: post #131

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I can't even get through my Claude Max quota, and that's only 200/mo. And I code every day and use it for various other pretty-intensive tasks.

only $200/mo… $200 a month is a used car payment. I guarantee you that price will double by 2027. Then it’ll be a new car payment! I’m really not saying this to be snarky, I’m saying this to point out that we’re really already in the enshittification phase before the rapid growth phase has even ended. You’re paying $200 and acting like that’s a cheap SaaS product for an individual. I pay less for Autocad products! Th…

> I’m saying this to point out that we’re really already in the enshittification phase before the rapid growth phase has even ended. You’re paying $200 and acting like that’s a cheap SaaS product for an individual.

Traditional SaaS products don't write code for me. They also cost much less to run.

I'm having a lot of trouble seeing this as enshittification. I'm not saying it won't happen some day, but I don't think we're there. $200 per month is a lot, but it depends on what you're getting. In this case, I'm getting a service that writes code for me on demand.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by astrange »

tyre wrote: post #140
pronik wrote: post #58

To the folks comparing this to GasTown: keep in mind that Steve Yegge explicitely pitched agent orchestrators to among others Anthropic months ago: > I went to senior folks at companies like Temporal and Anthropic, telling them they should build an agent orchestrator, that Claude Code is just a building block, and it’s going to be all about AI workflows and “Kubernetes for agents”. I went up onstage at multiple event…

Sorry, are you saying that engineers at Anthropic who work on coding models every day hadn’t thought of multiple of them working together until someone else suggested it? I remember having conversations about this when the first ChatGPT launched and I don’t work at an AI company.

Claude Code has already had subagent support. Mostly because you have to do very aggressive context window management with Claude or it gets distracted.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

rune-dev wrote: post #149
nlh wrote: post #143

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I pay $200/month, don’t come near the limits (yet), and if they raised the price to $1000/month for the exact same product I’d gladly pay it this afternoon (Don’t quote me on this Anthropic!) If you’re not able to get US$thousands out of these models right now either your expectations are too high or your usage is too low, but as a small business owner and part/most-time SWE, the pricing is a rounding error on value…

As a business expense to make profit, I can understand being ok with this price point. But as an individual with no profit motive, no way. I use these products at work, but not as much personally because of the bill. And even if I decided I wanted to pursue a for profit side project I’d have to validate it’s viability before even considering a 200$ monthly subscription

I'm paying $100 per month even though I don't write code professionally. It is purely personal use. I've used the subscription to have Claude create a bunch of custom apps that I use in my daily life.

This did require some amount of effort on my part, to test and iterate and so on, but much less than if I needed to write all the code myself. And, because these programs are for personal use, I don't need to review all the code, I don't have security concerns and so on.

$100 every month for a service that writes me custom applications... I don't know, maybe I'm being stupid with my money, but at the moment it feels well worth the price.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by nickstinemates »

tclancy wrote: post #95
nickstinemates wrote: post #92

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You write a generic architecture document on how you want your code base to be organized, when to use pattern x vs pattern y, examples of what that looks like in your code base, and you encode this as a skill. Then, in your prompt you tell it the task you want, then you say, supervise the implementation with a sub agent that follows the architecture skill. Evaluate any proposed changes. There are people who maximize…

How does this not use up tokens incredibly fast though? I have a Pro subscription and bang up against the limits pretty regularly.

I don't know, all I can say is with API-based billing, doing multi-thousand like refactors that would take days to do costs like $4. In terms of value : effort, it's incredible.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by nmfisher »

dangus wrote: post #167
nlh wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I pay $200/month, don’t come near the limits (yet), and if they raised the price to $1000/month for the exact same product I’d gladly pay it this afternoon (Don’t quote me on this Anthropic!) If you’re not able to get US$thousands out of these models right now either your expectations are too high or your usage is too low, but as a small business owner and part/most-time SWE, the pricing is a rounding error on value…

"Rounding error" lol, you can hire an actual full time human in India for $1000/month.

Will they be better than Opus though?

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by meowface »

dangus wrote: post #169
meowface wrote: post #141

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I could write an essay about how almost everything you wrote either is extremely incorrect or is extremely likely to be incorrect. I am too lazy to, though, so I will just have to wait for another commenter to do the equivalent.

Why not make your AI tool do it for you?

Because, while I have been a huge AI optimist for decades, I generally don't like their current writing output. And even if I did, it would feel like plagiarism unless I prepended it with "an AI responded with this:", which would make me seem lazy. (Though I did already just admit I am very lazy in my first post, so perhaps that is what I will do going forward once they become better writers.)

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by RollAHardSix »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #139
freeone3000 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it could do anything that a junior dev could, that’d be a valid point of comparison. But it continually, wildly performs slower and falls short every time I’ve tried.

But it continually, wildly performs slower and falls short every time I’ve tried. If it falls short every time you've tried, it's likely that one or more of these is true: A. You're working on some really deep thing that only world-class expects can do, like optimizing graphics engines for AAA games. B. You're using a language that isn't in the top ~10 most popular in AI models' training sets. C. You have an opportun…

Trying to make a media player, media server, all by using ffmpeg and a pre-built media streaming engine as it's core. Python and SQLite. About a week's worth of effort every time until it begins to go too far off the rails to be reliable to continue to develop with. It never did get the ffmpeg commands right, I had to go back to crafting those by hand, it never did get the streaming engine to play in the browser's video player in the supported hls and dash formats. Asked it to build a file and file metadata caching layer and then had to continue to re-prompt it to poll the caching layers before trying to get values from the database. Never even got to the library, metadata, or library image functionality. Had to ask it to create the rbac permissions model I wanted despite it being very junior-level common sense (super-admin, user-admin, metadata admin, image admin).

Not exactly world-class software.

Re: Orchestrate teams of Claude Code sessions

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Post by spiderfarmer »

dangus wrote: post #170
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #165

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$200/month is peanuts when you are a business paying your employees $200k/year. I think LLMs make me at least 10% more effective and therefore the cost to my employer is very worth it. Lots of trades have much more expensive tools (including cars).

> I think LLMs make me at least 10% more effective I know this was last year but... https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-o...

I don’t need external research to validate or invalidate my own experience.
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