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Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

#171

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The enemy of done is perfect, etc. what is the point of comments like this?

What is the point of any of this? To exchange how we think about things. I think virtue signaling is boring and uncandid.

But you are virtue-signalling, too, based on your own definition of virtuous behavior. In fact, you're doing nothing else. You're not contributing anything of value to the discussion.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

#172
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I kind of lost interest in local models. Then Anthropic started saying I’m not allowed to use my Claude Code subscription with my preferred tools and it reminded me why we need to support open tools and models. I’ve cancelled my CC subscription, I’m not paying to support anticompetitive behaviour.

You gave up some convenience to avoid voting for a bad practice with your wallet. I admire this, try to consistently do this when reasonably feasible. Problem is, most people don't do this, choosing convenience at any given moment without thinking about longer-term impact. This hurts us collectively by letting governments/companies, etc tighten their grip over time. This comes from my lived experience.

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Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

#173
I got this running locally using llama.cpp from Homebrew and the Unsloth quantized model like this:

  brew upgrade llama.cpp # or brew install if you don't have it yet
Then:

  llama-cli \
    -hf unsloth/Qwen3-Coder-Next-GGUF:UD-Q4_K_XL \
    --fit on \
    --seed 3407 \
    --temp 1.0 \
    --top-p 0.95 \
    --min-p 0.01 \
    --top-k 40 \
    --jinja
That opened a CLI interface. For a web UI on port 8080 along with an OpenAI chat completions compatible endpoint do this:

  llama-server \
    -hf unsloth/Qwen3-Coder-Next-GGUF:UD-Q4_K_XL \
    --fit on \
    --seed 3407 \
    --temp 1.0 \
    --top-p 0.95 \
    --min-p 0.01 \
    --top-k 40 \
    --jinja
It's using about 28GB of RAM.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

#174
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This GGUF is 48.4GB - https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3-Coder-Next-GGUF/tree/main/... - which should be usable on higher end laptops. I still haven't experienced a local model that fits on my 64GB MacBook Pro and can run a coding agent like Codex CLI or Claude code well enough to be useful. Maybe this will be the one? This Unsloth guide from a sibling comment suggests it might be: https://unsloth.ai/docs/models/qwen3…

I have the same experience with local models. I really want to use them, but right now, they're not on par with propietary models on capabilities nor speed (at least if you're using a Mac).

Local models on your laptop will never be as powerful as the ones that take up a rack of datacenter equipment. But there is still a surprising amount of overlap if you are willing to understand and accept the limitations.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

#176
I got the Qwen3 Coder 30B running locally on mac Mac M4 Max 36GB. It was slow, but it worked and did do some decent stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mAPaRbsjTU

Video is speed up. I ran it through LM Studio and then OpenCode. Wrote a bit about how I set it all up here: https://www.tommyjepsen.com/blog/run-llm-locally-for-coding

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

#177
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They have two products: * Subscription plans, which are (probably) subsidized and definitely oversubscribed (ie, 100% of subscribers could not use 100% of their tokens 100% of the time). * Wholesale tokens, which are (probably) profitable. If you try to use one product as the other product, it breaks their assumptions and business model. I don't really see how this is weaponized malaise; capacity planning and some fo…

So, if I rent out my bike to you for an hour a day for really cheap money and I do so a 50 more times to 50 others, so that my bike is oversubscribed and you and others don't get your hours, that's OK because it is just capacity planning on my side and widely accepted? Good to know.

Yes, correct. Essentially every single industry and tool which rents out capacity of any system or service does this. Your ISP does this. The airline does this. Cruise lines. Cloud computing environments. Restaurants. Rental cars. The list is endless.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

#178

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Nice! Getting ~39 tok/s @ ~60% GPU util. (~170W out of 303W per nvtop). System info: $ ./llama-server --version ggml_vulkan: Found 1 Vulkan devices: ggml_vulkan: 0 = Radeon RX 7900 XTX (RADV NAVI31) (radv) | uma: 0 | fp16: 1 | bf16: 0 | warp size: 64 | shared memory: 65536 | int dot: 1 | matrix cores: KHR_coopmat version: 7897 (3dd95914d) built with GNU 11.4.0 for Linux x86_64 llama.cpp command-line: $ ./llama-server…

What am I missing here? I thought this model needs 46GB of unified memory for 4-bit quant. Radeon RX 7900 XTX has 24GB of memory right? Hoping to get some insight, thanks in advance!

MoEs can be efficiently split between dense weights (attention/KV/etc) and sparse (MoE) weights. By running the dense weights on the GPU and offloading the sparse weights to slower CPU RAM, you can still get surprisingly decent performance out of a lot of MoEs.

Not as good as running the entire thing on the GPU, of course.

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

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I kind of lost interest in local models. Then Anthropic started saying I’m not allowed to use my Claude Code subscription with my preferred tools and it reminded me why we need to support open tools and models. I’ve cancelled my CC subscription, I’m not paying to support anticompetitive behaviour.

Access is one of my concerns with coding agents - on the one hand I think they make coding much more accessible to people who aren't developers - on the other hand this access is managed by commercial entities and can be suspended for any reason.

I can also imagine a dysfunctional future where a developers spend half their time convincing their AI agents that the software they're writing is actually aligned with the model's set of values

Re: Qwen3-Coder-Next

#180
post #144
post #41

I kind of lost interest in local models. Then Anthropic started saying I’m not allowed to use my Claude Code subscription with my preferred tools and it reminded me why we need to support open tools and models. I’ve cancelled my CC subscription, I’m not paying to support anticompetitive behaviour.

You gave up some convenience to avoid voting for a bad practice with your wallet. I admire this, try to consistently do this when reasonably feasible. Problem is, most people don't do this, choosing convenience at any given moment without thinking about longer-term impact. This hurts us collectively by letting governments/companies, etc tighten their grip over time. This comes from my lived experience.

Society is lacking people that stand up for something. My efforts to consume less is seen as being cheap by my family, which I find so sad. I much prefer donating my money than exchanging superfluous gifts on Christmas.
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