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Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by firemelt »

softwaredoug wrote: post #165

It really says something that MS/Github has been trying to shovel Copilot down our throats for years, and Anthropic just builds a tool in a short period of time and it takes off. It's interesting to think back, what did Copilot do wrong? Why didn't it become Claude Code? It seems for one thing its ambition might have been too small. Second, it was tightly coupled to VS Code / Github. Third, a lot of dumb big org Micr…

because claude code do it fullstack u know, the model and implementation, the interation is seamless,

meanwhile ms and github, is waiting for any breadcrumb that chatgpt leave with

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by adastra22 »

timr wrote: post #158
mgkimsal wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, there is Github Copilot, the AI agent tool that also has autocomplete, and a chat UI. When it came out, Github Copilot was an autocomplete tool. That's it. That may be what the OP was originally using. That's what I used... 2 years ago. That they change the capabilities but don't change the name, yet change names on services that don't change capabilities further illustrates the OP's point, I would say.

That's silly. Gmail is a wildly different product than it was when it launched, but I guess it doesn't count since the name is the same? Microsoft may or may not have a "problem" with naming, but if you're going to criticize a product, it's always a good starting place to know what you're criticizing.

Gmail is basically the same today as when I signed up for the beta. It’s a mail app.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by timr »

kemotep wrote: post #157
timr wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if the naming confusion kept them from actually bothering to understand what the product is?

The confusion is when I say “I have a terrible time using Copilot, I don’t recommend using it” and someone chimes in with how great their experience with Github Copilot is, a completely different product and how I must be “holding it wrong” when that is not the same Copilot. That Microsoft has like 5 different products all using Copilot in the name, even people in this very comment section are only saying “Copilot” s…

I mean, sure. But aside from the fact that everything in AI gets reduced to a single word ("Gemini", "ChatGPT", "Claude") [1], it's clearly not an excuse for misrepresenting the functionality of the product when you're writing a post broadly claiming that their AI products don't work.

Github Copilot is actually a pretty good tool.

[1] Not just AI. This is true for any major software product line, and why subordinate branding exists.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by adastra22 »

firemelt wrote: post #171
softwaredoug wrote: post #165

It really says something that MS/Github has been trying to shovel Copilot down our throats for years, and Anthropic just builds a tool in a short period of time and it takes off. It's interesting to think back, what did Copilot do wrong? Why didn't it become Claude Code? It seems for one thing its ambition might have been too small. Second, it was tightly coupled to VS Code / Github. Third, a lot of dumb big org Micr…

because claude code do it fullstack u know, the model and implementation, the interation is seamless, meanwhile ms and github, is waiting for any breadcrumb that chatgpt leave with

So is GitHub copilot. They run their own models.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

You are describing everything Microsoft has done since at least the late 90s.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by dingnuts »

paxys wrote: post #111

For one reason or another everyone seems to be sleeping on Gemini. I have been exclusively using Gemini 3 Flash to code these days and it stands up right alongside Opus and others while having a much smaller, faster and cheaper footprint. Combine it with Antigravity and you're basically using a cheat code.

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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by mfro »

paxys wrote: post #111

For one reason or another everyone seems to be sleeping on Gemini. I have been exclusively using Gemini 3 Flash to code these days and it stands up right alongside Opus and others while having a much smaller, faster and cheaper footprint. Combine it with Antigravity and you're basically using a cheat code.

For me it just depends on the project. Sometimes one or the other performs better. If I am digging into something tough and I think it's hallucinating or misunderstanding, I will typically try another model.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by eloisant »

paxys wrote: post #138

Crazy to think that Github Copilot was the first mainstream AI coding tool. It had all the hype and momentum in the world, and Microsoft decided to do...absolutely nothing with it.

It was kinda cool for a demo, but Claude Code really was the first game changer in AI coding.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by bhadass »

satvikpendem wrote: post #137
paxys wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic has a model. Microsoft doesn't.

Microsoft can use OpenAI models but it's not the model that's the problem, it's the application of them. Anthropic simply knows how to execute better.

they should just acquire one of the many agent code harnesses. Something like opencode works just as well as claude-code and has only been around half of the time.
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