> I'm a programmer, and I use automatic programming. The code I generate in this way is mine. My code, my output, my production. I, and you, can be proud. I disagree. The code you wrote is a collaboration with the model you used. To frame it this way, you are taking credit for the work the model did on your behalf. There is a difference between I wrote this code entirely by myself and I wrote the code with a partner.…
How many JavaScript libraries does the average fortune 1000 developer invoke when programming?
That average fortune 1000 developer is still expected to abide by the licensing terms of those libraries.
And in practice, tools like NPM makes sure to output all of the libraries' licenses.
How many times are we going to reinvent the wheel of LLM usage and applaud? Why every day is there another LLM usage article adding essentially nothing educational or significant to the discourse voted to the top of the frontpage? Am I just jaded? It feels like the bar for "Successful article on Hacker News" is so much lower for LLM discourse than for any other subject
> Pre-training is, actually, our collective gift that allows many individuals to do things they could otherwise never do, like if we are now linked in a collective mind, in a certain way. Is not a gift if it was stolen. Anyway, in my opinion the code that was generated by the LLM is yours as long as you're responsible for it. When I look at a PR I'm reading the output of a person, independently of the tools that pers…
It is knowledge, it can't be stolen. It is stolen only in the sense of someone gatekeeping knowledge. Which is as a practice, the least we can say, dubious. because is math stolen ? if you stole math to build your knowledge on top of it, you own nothing and can claim to have been stolen yourself
I disagree.
Code is the expression of knowledge and can be protected by copyright.
A lot of the popular licenses on GitHub (like MIT) permits you to use a piece of code on the condition that you credit the original author. If an LLM outputs code from such a project (or remixes code from several such projects) then it needs to credit the original authors or be in violation.
If Disney's intellectual property can be stolen and needs to be protected for 95+ years by copyright then surely the bedroom programmers' labor deserves the same protections.
How many times are we going to reinvent the wheel of LLM usage and applaud? Why every day is there another LLM usage article adding essentially nothing educational or significant to the discourse voted to the top of the frontpage? Am I just jaded? It feels like the bar for "Successful article on Hacker News" is so much lower for LLM discourse than for any other subject
I think he would too, but they’re obviously not going to do that.
"OpenAI is exploring licensing models tied to customer outcomes, including pharma partnerships." [1] "OpenAI CFO Sarah Friar sketched a future in which the company's business models evolve beyond subscriptions and could include royalty streams tied to customer results." [1] "Speaking on a recent podcast, Friar floated the possibility of "licensing models" in which OpenAI would get paid when a customer's AI-enabled wo…
> Pre-training is, actually, our collective gift I feel like this wording isn't great when there are many impactful open source programmers who have explicitly stated that they don't want their code used to train these models and licensed their work in a world where LLMs didn't exist. It wasn't their "gift", it was unwillingly taken from them. > I'm a programmer, and I use automatic programming. The code I generate i…
> I feel like this wording isn't great when there are many impactful open source programmers who have explicitly stated that they don't want their code used to train these models That’s been the fate of many creators since the dawn of time. Kafka explicitly stated that he wanted his works to be burned after his death. So when you’re reading about Gregor’s awkward interactions with his sister, you’re literally consumi…
If he didn't want us to read Metamorphosis he probably shouldn't have had it published. It was, long before his death.
But it's true much of his work was unpublished when he died and was "rescued" or "stolen", depending on what narrative you prefer.
You will say I programmed it, there is no longer for this distinction. But then you can add that you used automatic programming in the process. But shortly there will be no need to refer to this term similarly to how today you don't specify you used an editor...
(Yes?) but the editor isn't claiming to take your job in 5 years. Also I do feel like this is a very substantial leap. This is sort of like the difference between some and many. Your editor has some effect on the final result so crediting it/mentioning it doesn't really impact it (but people still do mention their editor choices and I know some git repo's with .vscode which can show that the creator used vscode, I am…
LLMs translate specs into code, if you master conputational thinking like Antirez, you basically reduce LLMs to intelligent translators of the stated computational ideas and specifications into a(ny) formal language + the typing. In that scenario LLMs are a great tool and speedup the coding process. I like how the power is in semantics, whereas syntax becomes more and more a detail (and rightfully so)!
@antirez if you reading this, it would be insigthful I think if you could share what is your current AI workflow , the tools you use, etc. Thanks!
Thanks, sharing a lot on X / BlueSky + YouTube but once the C course on YouTube will be finished, I'll start a new course on programming in this way. I need a couple more lessons to declare the C course closed (later I'll restart it likely, the advanced part). So I can start with the AP course.
I don't understand this perspective. Programmers often scoff at most other examples of intellectual property, some throwing it out all together. I remember reading Google vs Oracle where Oracle sued Google for stealing code to perform a range check, about about 9 lines long, used to check array index bounds. I guess the difference is AI companies bad? This is transformative technology creating trillions in value and…
Hot take: The Supreme Court should have sided with Oracle. APIs are a clear example of unique expression, and there is no statute exempting them specifically from copyright protection. If they are not protected by copyright, is anything really? What meaning has copyright law then?
Hot take: Intellectual property law is stifling innovation and humanity would be better served scrapping it.
I stopped reading at "soon to become the practice of writing software". That belief has no basis at this point and it's been demonstrated not only that AI doesn't improve coding but also that the costs associated are not sustainable.
I continued reading, but you're right. Why did the author feel that it was necessary to include that?
Because typing in text and syntax is now becoming irrelevant and mostly taken care of by language models. Computational thinking and sematics on the other hand will remain essential in the craft and always have been.