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ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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Post by watwut »

ipaddr wrote: post #130
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #63

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A concentration camp is a place where large amounts of Jews were killed. Using it to describe deportation where people aren't killed is offensive to some and full of fake drama to others.

You are talking about extermination center which is a subset of concentration camps. First concentration were open after Hitler took power and were always referred to as concentration camps by historical books. They were not used as extermination camps yet, the gas chambers were not invented yes. The first prisoners were political opposition, low level criminals and yes, jews. The frequent pattern with political prisoners was to imprison them for 1-3 months, break them and then release them to create terror.

Jews were removed from public life at first, over-punished for minor infractions and deported or pushed toward self deportation. The thing to notice here is that Germany did not had that many Jews in the first place, they were rather small minority. The tens of thousands thing was possible only after Germans conquered foreign lands and started to kill non German Jews. The WWIII did not started yet, so yep, we are not there, but it is actually OK to comment on similarities before that.

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Post by andrewl »

ipaddr wrote: post #130
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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A concentration camp is a place where large amounts of Jews were killed. Using it to describe deportation where people aren't killed is offensive to some and full of fake drama to others.

It's an important topic and it's worth getting the terms correct. Concentration camps and extermination camps are two different things. Not that Jewish and other peoples were not killed in concentration camps, either by being worked to death or by summary execution, but they were not the almost assembly line killing factories of the extermination camps.

Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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Post by bubbi »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #110
api wrote: post #99

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Starting way back in the early 2000s I was predicting all this and was consistently called nuts and paranoid. In retrospect what has actually happened with mass surveillance has been far worse than what the most unhinged conspiracy nut on shortwave radio or some crazy end times Geocities web site was predicting back then. The predictions of the conspiracy nuts were conservative. The big thing everyone got wrong was t…

> I was predicting all this You predicted HHS and CMMS having the address patients give them on HHS and CMMS forms? Like, sure. Good job. I predict the IRS has my address. > This is a devil's bargain Medicare (and the IRS) having your home address is a devil’s bargain?

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Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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Post by exo762 »

ardme wrote: post #143
throw0101a wrote: post #40

From the leftist-Communist rag (/s) Wall Street Journal : > It started out that way. At the beginning of 2025, 87% of ICE arrests were immigrants with either a prior conviction or a criminal charge pending, according to ICE data obtained by the Deportation Data Project. Only 13% of those arrested at the beginning of 2025 didn’t have either a conviction or a pending charge. > But the criminal share of apprehensions ha…

I have read the Obama era numbers are inflated because they counted turn aways at the border. It’s also a little interesting that Obama was able to be against illegal immigration without a ton of pushback. Why was that?

For the same reason Nixon was able to establish OSHA without a ton of pushback.

Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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Post by wavefunction »

ako wrote: post #77
tomaytotomato wrote: post #27

How are Palantir so effective (as this article is alluding)? From a cynical British perspective, when I think of government departments and civil servants. I think inefficiency, data siloing, politics and lack of communication between departments and also internally not communicating between teams. Not withstanding a lack of cooperating and willingness to change. Did Palantir have a political mandate, or can they jus…

Palantir's mission is to exactly solve the problem you're describing: break through data siloes to get better information. Core of the platform are data pipelines that can move data from any silo into the palantir data lake, where it can be analysed. Their forward engineering project approach probably enables them to bypass the organisational boundaries between departments. Their top-down selling approach ensures man…

"structured data transfers" yeah I've done those, difference is it wasn't to build fascDB or extract public monies at grossly over-inflated rates

Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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Post by bonsai_spool »

ardme wrote: post #114
gorgoiler wrote: post #79

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I heard a law professor on NPR a few nights back saying how, at the executive level, the rule of law is dead and has been for some time. They cited Jan 6 but recognised how politically divisive that example was, so also gave the failure to enforce the TikTok ban as a less partisan example. If you take your hands off the wheel you can go a surprisingly long time before you crash. This hands-free period will have to co…

I remember a lot of stuff Bush did in the aftermath of 911 that was illegal. Anyone remember Snowden? And Obama did a drone strike on a US citizen. This has been going on a long time but maybe we used to play pretend better.

There are very clear differences, so I find your argument disingenuous at best. While the legality can be doubted for the examples you gave, those administrations released their legal rationale.

The TikTok rationale essentially came to ‘we want genz voters’

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Post by imchillyb »

petterroea wrote: post #6

Private surveillance is so much more scary than regular government surveillance because they have every incentive to invent new ways of surveilling you that they then try to sell to governments, or private actors who want to influence the world. It's like classic government surveillance but every company you interacted with and every app you use may at some point turn on you and use your data against you, just becaus…

Cambridge Analytica was the blueprint, unfortunately, and not a deterrent. Much like movies ands television shows attempted to warn viewers of the dangers of robotic and automated militaries.

The EU said ‘hold my mead,’ and built the literal Skynet from the terminator movies. Has the same damn job too, coordinate, communicate, control.

Humanity doesn’t learn from its past because it is too focused on its future. Unfortunately for us, war… war never changes.

Re: ICE and Palantir: US agents using health data to hunt illegal immigrants

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Post by hakrgrl »

SilverBirch wrote: post #37

If I'm reading this correctly, they're just straight up violating the law. They're sharing information with ICE under an obligation to share information of aliens, but they're actually sharing everyone's information in an effort to identify aliens. That seems like a pretty slam shut case if there were any mechanism to investigate and prosecute it.

You are not reading this right.

> There is no data sharing agreement between CMS and DHS on “US citizens and lawful permanent residents,” they added.

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Post by Telemakhos »

mothballed wrote: post #15
petterroea wrote: post #6

Private surveillance is so much more scary than regular government surveillance because they have every incentive to invent new ways of surveilling you that they then try to sell to governments, or private actors who want to influence the world. It's like classic government surveillance but every company you interacted with and every app you use may at some point turn on you and use your data against you, just becaus…

The article says the data was 'surveilled' by Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and HHS in the performance of Medicare/Medicaid claims, with that surveillance fed to Palentir. Palentir has certainly assisted, but the origin of the data collection here was public and then unleashed by the state to private entity.

> The article says the data was 'surveilled' by Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and HHS in the performance of Medicare/Medicaid claims

Does this imply that undocumented aliens subject to deportation have been making claims on Medicare/Medicaid monies?

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