I'm looking forward to when I can run a tolerably useful model locally. Next time I buy a desktop one of its core purposes will be to run models for 24/7 work.
Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot
171–180 of 241 posts
Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot
#172This project terrifies me. On the one hand it really is very cool, and a lot of people are reporting great results using it. It helped someone negotiate with car dealers to buy a car! https://aaronstuyvenberg.com/posts/clawd-bought-a-car But it's an absolute perfect storm for prompt injection and lethal trifecta attacks: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Jun/16/the-lethal-trifecta/ People are hooking this thing up to Te…
I find it completely crazy. If I wanted to launch a cyberattack on the western economy, I guess I would just need to: * open-source a vulnerable vibe-coded assistant * launch a viral marketing campaign with the help of some sophisticated crypto investors * watch as hundreds of thousands of people in the western world voluntarily hand over their information infrastructure to me
I doubt you'd need to build and hype your own, just find a popular already-existing one with auto-update where the devs automatically try to solve user-generated tickets and hijack a device machine.
Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot
#173I'm looking forward to when I can run a tolerably useful model locally. Next time I buy a desktop one of its core purposes will be to run models for 24/7 work.
Define useful I guess. I think the agentic coding loop we can achieve with hosted frontier models today is a really long way away from consumer desktops for now.
Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
My experience. I have it running on my desktop with voice to text with an API token from groq, so I communicate with it in WhatsApp audios. I Have app codes for my Fastmail and because it has file access can optimize my Obsidian notes. I have it send me a morning brief with my notes, appointments and latest emails. And of course I have it speaking like I am some middle age Castillian Lord.
How is that adding value to your life or productivity in any way? You just like working via text message instead of using a terminal? I don't get it. What do you do when it goes off the rails and starts making mistakes?
I tell him: Summarize this article for me, and generate a note in Obsidian with the insights. Create a shopping list with these items, remind me tomorrow to call someone... Standard PA stuff. It never went off the rails yet.
Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot
#175Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot
#176As a result of this the official install is now installing a squatted package they don't control: https://github.com/moltbot/moltbot/issues/2760 https://github.com/moltbot/moltbot/issues/2775 But this is basically in line with average LLM agent safety.
It's even worse than I guessed - moltbot updated their official docs to install the new package name ( https://github.com/moltbot/moltbot?tab=readme-ov-file#instal... ), but it was a package name they have not obtained, and a different non-clawdbot 'moltbot' package is there.
It's been 15 hours since that "CRITICAL" issue bug was opened, and moltbot has had dozens of commits ( https://github.com/moltbot/moltbot/commits/main/ ), but not to fix or take down the official install instructions that continue to have people install a 'moltbot' package that is not theirs.
Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot
#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
I called out the E as one of numerous obvious similarities in the styling of the motto, not specifically. You are choosing to focus on just the E instead of the other similar elements taken as a whole. We can drop the disagreement over that specific letter and my argument as a whole still stands. Here’s the only context I Mentioned the E: “The entire business is branded like Eggo waffles. The colors used, the font an…
It's based on recognizable elements because it's clearly parodying them; they are not copying the brand. They are not relying on people thinking there's an endorsement or association with Kellogg. They're relying on a chuckle. This stuff is all obvious to anyone with enough reasoning ability to pass the LSAT (or anyone who can pass middle school), so obviously any lawyer who claims otherwise is a disingenuous liar. L…
Parody defense typically relies on there being an underlying comment about the brand or product. Commercial use with no clear speech purpose will not be looked on favorably by a court. Copying someone’s brand isn’t a parody by the court’s Rogers test which will be applied in this case to determine if it is a legal parody.
The Rogers test:
> First, the Court must determine whether the work at issue is “expressive” — that is, does the work “communicat[e] ideas or express[ ] points of view.” Second, if the work is expressive, then the plaintiff must show that the defendant’s use of the trademark either (i) is not artistically relevant to the work, or (ii) is explicitly misleading to consumers as to the source or content of the work.
There is no idea or point of view being communicated by naming your business L’Eggo my Eggroll and copying the colors and style, and I haven’t seen the defendants arguing that. So the second part of the test won’t even be considered.
There actually is case law around bad puns/rhymes as parody branding (Bad Spaniels dog toy shaped and styled like Jack Daniel’s bottle). The court did not accept it as fair use since there isn’t a comment or idea being communicated. It doesn’t matter that no one is going to confuse a dog toy with a bottle of whisky. “We operate an eggroll food truck” is not going to be accepted as an idea or comment for the purposes of parody.
They could argue that they are not actually copying the trademark, but the use of the phrase and colors is pretty damning even if you accept that the cursive is not the same (I don’t see a court buying that the cursive is different enough. It doesn’t matter that it isn’t a stencil perfect match in the totality of circumstances.) This argument is also mutually exclusive to the parody argument since it attempts to deny that there is any brand similarity.
Ironically, someone could now sell t-shirts saying “L’Eggo my trademark” using the exact font and it would be pretty clear fair use parody of Kellog’s lawsuit. It would be a comment specifically poking fun of them suing over that phrase and branding, and the absurdities of trademark law.
I’m not saying that any of this is right or wrong, I’m just saying that from a legal perspective Kellog’s is on pretty firm ground from all publicly known information.
Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
- Peter has spent the last year building up a large assortment of CLIs to integrate with. He‘s also a VERY good iOS and macOS engineer so he single handedly gave clawd capabilities like controlling macOS and writing iMessages. - Leaning heavily on the SOUL.md makes the agents way funnier to interact with. Early clawdbot had me laugh to tears a couple times, with its self-deprecating humor and threatening to play Nick…
It’s vibe coded slop that could be made by anyone with Claude Code and a spare weekend. It didn’t require any skill, it’s all written by Claude. I’m not sure why you’re trying to hype up this guy, if he didn’t have Claude he couldn’t have made this, just like non engineers all over the world are coding all a variety of shit right now.
I’ve been following Peter and his projects 7-8 months now and you fundamentally mischaracterize him.
Peter was a successful developer prior to this and an incredibly nice guy to boot, so I feel the need to defend him from anonymous hate like this.
What is particularly impressive about Peter is his throughput of publishing *usable utility software*. Over the last year he’s released a couple dozen projects, many of which have seen moderate adoption.
I don’t use the bot, but I do use several of his tools and have also contributed to them.
There is a place in this world for both serious, well-crafted software as well as lower-stakes slop. You don’t have to love the slop, but you would do well to understand that there are people optimizing these pipelines and they will continue to get better.
Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot
#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, asking a court for a large amount of damages from an LLC is not in any way similar to arson and murder.
You should say why that is rather than just leaving a short, dismissive comment.
I’m not GP, but I can take a crack: A case against a limited liability corporation for infringing on a trademark is not like murdering someone and burning down their house because no one ends up dead and no houses are burned down, and it is an appealable judgement made by a court based in legal precedent.
Re: Clawdbot Renames to Moltbot
#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The way trademarks work is that if you don't actively defend them you weaken your rights. I mean this is the OP sentence, it's not about the food truck, it's about setting a precedent that you don't care, which costs you later when a competing brand starts distributing in a way that can actually confuse consumers.
Has any court ever ruled that a trademark was abandoned, merely on the grounds that its owners didn't try to prosecute a borderline infringement case?
This is a dilution not abandonment issue.
Courts will look at the level of systematic tolerance. If you have a history of vigorous enforcement, it will be harder to argue in the future that a borderline dilution should be allowed.
If you allow borderline dilution, the court is going to consider what you have let other people get away with in the past.
It’s a bit of a catch 22