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Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by mig39 »

davidwritesbugs wrote: post #161
hdgvhicv wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another Brexit bonus It’s no coincidence those that championed Brexit are those that wanted a weaker Europe and weaker U.K. That’s why the majority of tax payers were against it, the majority of educated people voted against it, the majority of working people voted against it, the majority of people alive today who voted voted against it Yet we still got it.

Bloody poor people deciding for themselves what they want. Shouldn't get a vote unless you have a degree and property. If only they'd had the sense to listen to their betters.

And those poor people are objectively poorer because of Brexit. But as long as there's fewer foreigners coming in, then they're happy?

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by kalleboo »

consp wrote: post #51
JonChesterfield wrote: post #24

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Pulling cables through walls is really easy for some construction styles and really difficult for others. Can involve taking up floorboards and drilling horizontally through beams, plumber style. Or cutting slots in masonry with angle grinders. Sometimes there are existing wires you can tie to and pull through, sometimes the existing wires were stapled to the walls. On the bright side everything about the ethernet wi…

The twisted pair (should be two but one pair is broken...) installed in the 60s in my home are so stuck you will never, ever, get those out without ripping the wall apart. Originally the coaxials should have gone through the same pipes, as there should be enough space, but there is so much gunk in there it was impossible and they layed out a new tube though the floors and ceilings in the corner. For fun and because i…

In the 70's house I bought, some of the coax and power was literally cast into the concrete.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by ifwinterco »

davidwritesbugs wrote: post #161
hdgvhicv wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another Brexit bonus It’s no coincidence those that championed Brexit are those that wanted a weaker Europe and weaker U.K. That’s why the majority of tax payers were against it, the majority of educated people voted against it, the majority of working people voted against it, the majority of people alive today who voted voted against it Yet we still got it.

Bloody poor people deciding for themselves what they want. Shouldn't get a vote unless you have a degree and property. If only they'd had the sense to listen to their betters.

The elites made the mistake of actually putting political power in the hands of the British people for once.

Catastrophic error on their part, they won't do that again

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by ifwinterco »

Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #155
djhworld wrote: post #53

> A new house bought today could have 10 phone sockets and 0 Ethernet sockets. There is still no regulation that requires new build to get Ethernet wiring (as far as I know). I think this is true in the sense of there's no regulation it's just up to the developer, but my house (new build, 2021) has an RJ45 patch panel downstairs with 4 ports that lead to 4 areas of the house. This was actually a surprise to me when I…

My new build (2023) would have had 0 ethernet if I didn't request it. It's so cheap to wire it in and so useful for the future I don't know why it's not just standard. It had phone sockets though, for whatever reason. When I was configuring the house the person I was with to do it didn't even know what ethernet was. One thing I wished I could have picked was where all the ethernet terminated. It's all gone to a littl…

The vast majority of people don't care and would never use ethernet sockets, as long as they can get a good enough wifi connection to their smart TV for Netflix etc. then they're happy and most of the time wifi can do that.

It's only really gamers who are likely to consider using ethernet and avid online gamers don't make up a significant percentage of the people who buy new build homes

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by raddan »

wffurr wrote: post #117
ninkendo wrote: post #96

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I had the same thing in the house I bought, it was a nice surprise… there were 6 different phone jacks around the house in great locations for Ethernet (WiFi access points or just for a computer), and they all led down to the furnace room where they attached to a punch-down panel (basically they were all spliced into each other.) To my surprise they were all cat5 cables. With the house being built in 2003 this was su…

Alas my 2009 condo conversion was wired with coax to every room instead. I've been using the coax drops to pull Ethernet cables.

Ahh! Don’t replace your coax with Cat5e/6! Coaxial cable has excellent noise rejection—better than Cat5e.

Instead, get a MoCA adapter like this one [1]. You can get 2.5Gbps over coax!

[1] https://a.co/d/e2FYGWj

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by kalleboo »

jakedata wrote: post #50

I connected self powered crank telephones to my home phone wiring for use as intercoms. Crank one and the others ring. Pick up to engage the battery powered talk circuit and you're chatting with Mabel like it's 1915. I did replace the old dry cell batteries with lithium camera cells so I don't need to think about them for a decade.

We have an Ethernet run that's not in use right now. I had a Cisco ATA from earlier experiments so I picked up 2 old phones with proper bell ringers and now the kids can call up from the living room to my office when it's time for dinner, they love it.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by globular-toast »

> A new house bought today could have 10 phone sockets and 0 Ethernet sockets.

Really? I've never seen that many in a house. Most might have one extension in a bedroom upstairs. Which is usually the one room where you don't want a data connection. Crazy to think when I was little it was common to have a phone downstairs and another upstairs in the master bedroom. Who the hell wants to make a phone call from bed?!

I think it's easier just to run cables, tbh. If you can't put them in the walls/floors then hide them in plastic conduit. You can do a pretty good job with a bit of planning.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by VLM »

tialaramex wrote: post #78

Worth knowing in this context: Telephones only want a twisted pair. Ethernet, popular with businesses for decades, also wants a twisted pair. Now, that pair must meet much stricter criteria to be suitable, such as Category 5 (for 100Mbit) or Category 5e (1000Mbit ie Gigabit) - but it really is just twisted pair cable, merely a tighter specification than your phone. Suppose you are a sparky (electrician) and you have…

I pulled several thousand lines as a kid starting out in Gen-X era and you are completely correct with one scalability and labor cost issue:

Real cat5 and ethernet connectors just work and phone cable and phone plugs just work, but if you mix them you'll get all manner of expensive labor costs trying to figure out jury rigged solutions.

At one client they used two pair for business phone system, we're on a cable pulling team and one guy punches down the blue and green pairs the other side punches down blue and orange pairs (essentially a 568A vs 568B violation) and we spend SOME EXPENSIVE TIME trying to figure out why the cable toner "proves" we are on the same cable so it can't be a wiring fault.

Or the stereotype of the halfway colorblind guy at the far end working in the ceiling, on a ladder, in the dark, swaps the orange and brown pairs as happens sometimes.

Oh even funnier is there's always "that guy" who is too lazy to pull an additional cable to a new phone, so he steals some pairs from a nearby phone, somehow knocking out both phones in the process. Such a headache.

Labor for troubleshooting miswired cables/jacks is SO expensive its just cheaper at work to install phone lines using phone line parts and ethernet using ethernet parts.

The arrival of VOIP phones around Y2K, somewhat after my time, must make life so much easier. And now nobody uses wired phones everyone has a smartphone.

At home if you're doing one line and its a hobby so your time is free, then your strategy does work.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by Freedom2 »

ninkendo wrote: post #96
tialaramex wrote: post #78

Worth knowing in this context: Telephones only want a twisted pair. Ethernet, popular with businesses for decades, also wants a twisted pair. Now, that pair must meet much stricter criteria to be suitable, such as Category 5 (for 100Mbit) or Category 5e (1000Mbit ie Gigabit) - but it really is just twisted pair cable, merely a tighter specification than your phone. Suppose you are a sparky (electrician) and you have…

I had the same thing in the house I bought, it was a nice surprise… there were 6 different phone jacks around the house in great locations for Ethernet (WiFi access points or just for a computer), and they all led down to the furnace room where they attached to a punch-down panel (basically they were all spliced into each other.) To my surprise they were all cat5 cables. With the house being built in 2003 this was su…

My place had previous owners who had the foresight to thread the wire through PVC tube behind the wall. This means that when I wanted to add extra access points, it was easy to thread another cat5 through and pull it to where I wanted.
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