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Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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I had a similar issue with Microsoft today. They obviously invented a new "Copilot Newsletter" and subscribed my address to it, without my consent. I wonder what the legislation says (I'm in Germany). I know that some business related mails are deemed legal, but this seems to clearly cross the line.

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no unsubscribe button in this MS Copilot campaign. And they’re trying to gaslight like it’s some essential notification when it’s clearly and blatantly unnecessary marketing spam.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Funny they mentioned the GitHub email. I got the same one and unsubscribed from every GitHub email immediately. I wonder if they track how fast people unsubscribe after opening particular emails.

They do. Companies will track app uninstalls also.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Cryptographical superiority aside, Signal doesn't collect personal data, unlike Whatsapp. For me that's the main reason to use it. The UX is good enough, although some points can for sure be improved.

Whatsapp should be a non starter. What Mark Zuckerberg did to Whatsapp should be required reading for anyone using the internet, and then decide if you still want to use Facebook (never mind, they build a shadow profile for you anyway) "It's time. Delete Facebook" isn't subtle https://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2018/09/26/exclusive...

That needs spelled out.

Delete: Facebook, Messenger, Instagram, WhatsApp, Meta, Threads, Manus.

Most people think of Facebook and Messenger when they see "Delete Facebook". Thats also why the rest dont have Meta or FB in their name.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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The really strange thing is that so much of it doesn't work. Like I get that the SOTA models perform some tasks quite well and have some real value. But the AI being implemented in every corner creates a lot of really bad results. The Shopify code assistant will completely wreck your site and basically gets nothing correct. It will write 100 lines to change a color of a single DIV. The Amazon product Q&A will give yo…

It's a desperate attempt at staying relevant, even if most of those companies don't realize it yet. Because of its general-purpose nature, AI subsumes products . Most software products that try to "implement AI in every corner" would, from the user's POV, be more useful if they became tools for ChatGPT/Claude/Gemini. People's goals are rarely limited to just one software product, and products are basically defined as…

AI is the first path out of enshittification the industry has had in a while.

See https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2026/01/ebay-...

It will be funny to see the rapid about face.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Oh yeah, having your passwords online is a great idea /s

It is, if they are encrypted. Without a password manager, I would inevitable have to reuse the same passwords over and over on my hundreds of different accounts. With a password manager, they are auto-generated random gibberish. And yes, even when using 2FA, you should have different passwords for all accounts. Bitwarden, OnePassword, LastPass, Proton Pass etc. are password managers with dozens of millions of users t…

It's not, because the world we live in isn't binary. It's not true that "it's encrypted therefore nothing can go wrong". Putting your password manager online increases the risk of an accident.

And just because millions of people think this is a good idea, doesn't make it a good idea. Millions of people also reuse their passwords and that doesn't make it a good idea either.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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I had a similar problem with SunLife marketing emails. I would unsubscribe from everything there was an option for, then a month later I would get another marketing email setting personal finance advisors. I spoke to support to be told how to unsubscribe, then that it "was an account information email not a marketing email so I cauld not unsubscribe".

Eventually after escalating I was put on a do not email list and haven't received emails since; though they do still send crap to my work email.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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I had a similar problem with SunLife marketing emails. I would unsubscribe from everything there was an option for, then a month later I would get another marketing email setting personal finance advisors. I spoke to support to be told how to unsubscribe, then that it "was an account information email not a marketing email so I cauld not unsubscribe". Eventually after escalating I was put on a do not email list and h…

I tend to have a policy: I will click on your unsubscribe button once, after that it's straight to 'report spam'. If that sinks your domain ratings, that's on you.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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It is, if they are encrypted. Without a password manager, I would inevitable have to reuse the same passwords over and over on my hundreds of different accounts. With a password manager, they are auto-generated random gibberish. And yes, even when using 2FA, you should have different passwords for all accounts. Bitwarden, OnePassword, LastPass, Proton Pass etc. are password managers with dozens of millions of users t…

It's not, because the world we live in isn't binary. It's not true that "it's encrypted therefore nothing can go wrong". Putting your password manager online increases the risk of an accident. And just because millions of people think this is a good idea, doesn't make it a good idea. Millions of people also reuse their passwords and that doesn't make it a good idea either.

Of course it is a tradeoff between security and usability. Not putting your passwords online forces you to either remember all passwords (which will lead to re-use) or you will be only available to access your accounts (and thus most of the internet) from your home. Or you will have to come up with elaborate system how to carry your passwords on some kind of secured device etc. A password manager (alongside 2FA) is a very good security/usability compromise for a lot of people. YMMV.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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> I think we must make it clear that this is not related to AI at all Yeah, many companies do that. I unsusbcribed from newline, they still keep spamming me. Funny thing is, they realised they had made a mistake and promised to remove unsubs. One week later, the spam started. The correct solution is the spam button. Always

> The correct solution is the spam button. Always The correct solution is filing complaints with your country's relevant authority

In theory. In practice-- I would spend all my time just filing complaints, because today, in 2026, I get more spam from "legitimate" companies than "Nigerian scammer" types

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Does?? > I wonder who told Proton that it’s a good idea to copy big tech tactics. The lure of big tech profits.

Genuinely: What profits!?! The only company profiting from AI has been nVidia. Every indicator we've received for this entire alleged industry is companies buying hundreds of millions of dollars in graphics cards that then either sit in warehouses depreciating in value or, worse, are plugged in and immediately start losing money. The tech industry has coasted on it's hypergrowth story for decades, a story laden with…

> Genuinely: What profits!?!

Those foreseen. :)

(Should have gone to Specsavers.)

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