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I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by eightysixfour »

mikkupikku wrote: post #165
eightysixfour wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but no. Do you know how many people call support in legacy industries, ignore the voice prompt, and demand to speak to a person to pay their recurring, same-cost-every-month bill? It is honestly shocking. There are legitimate support cases that could be made better with AI but just getting to them is honestly harder than I thought when I was first exposed. It will be a while.

Demanding a person on the phone use the website on your behalf is a great life hack, I do it all the time. Often they try to turn me away saying "you know you can do this on our website" , I just explain that I found it confusing and would like help. If you're polite and pleasant, people will bend over backwards to help you out over the phone. With "legacy industries" in particular, their websites are usually so bust…

Sorry, I disagree here. For the specific flow I'm talking about - monthly recurring payments - the UX is about as highly optimized for success as it gets. There are ways to do it via the web, on the phone with a bot, bill pay in your own bank, set it up in-store, in an app, etc.

These people don't want the thing done, they want to talk to someone on the phone. The monthly payment is an excuse to do so. I know, we did the customer research on it.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by exe34 »

mikkupikku wrote: post #156
ffsm8 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Skip to the end of the article. He says himself that this is a guess and provides the "missing" information if you are actually interested in it.

I read it, and it's not enough to make a judgement either way. For all we know none of this had anything to do with his ban and he was banned for something he did the day before. There's no way for third parties to be sure of anything in this kind of situation, where one party shares only the information they wish and the other side stays silent as a matter of default corporate policy. I am not saying that the author…

we don't know your true motivations for making this series of posts and doubling down - and yet we give you the benefit of the doubt.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by exe34 »

munk-a wrote: post #58
preinheimer wrote: post #3

> AI moderation is currently a "black box" that prioritizes safety over accuracy to an extreme degree. I think there's a wide spread in how that's implemented. I would certainly not describe Grok as a tool that's prioritized safety at all.

You say that - and yet it has successfully guarded Elon from any of those pesky truths that might harm his fervently held beliefs. You just forgot to consider that Grok is a tool that prioritizes Elon's emotional safety over all other safeties.

doesn't he keep having to lobotomize it for lurching to the left every time it gets updated with new facts?

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by mikkupikku »

eightysixfour wrote: post #171
mikkupikku wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Demanding a person on the phone use the website on your behalf is a great life hack, I do it all the time. Often they try to turn me away saying "you know you can do this on our website" , I just explain that I found it confusing and would like help. If you're polite and pleasant, people will bend over backwards to help you out over the phone. With "legacy industries" in particular, their websites are usually so bust…

Sorry, I disagree here. For the specific flow I'm talking about - monthly recurring payments - the UX is about as highly optimized for success as it gets. There are ways to do it via the web, on the phone with a bot, bill pay in your own bank, set it up in-store, in an app, etc. These people don't want the thing done, they want to talk to someone on the phone. The monthly payment is an excuse to do so. I know, we did…

Recurring monthly payments I set to go automatic, but setting that up in the first place I usually do through a phone call. I know some people just want somebody to talk to, same as going through the normal checkout lines at the grocery store, but I think an equally large part of this is people just wanting somebody else to do the work (using the website, or scanning groceries) for them.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by Aurornis »

nawgz wrote: post #148
Aurornis wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Years ago I was involved in a service where we some times had to disable accounts for abusive behavior. I'm talking about obvious abusive behavior, akin to griefing other users. Every once in while someone would take it personally and go on a social media rampage. The one thing I learned from being on the other side of this is that if someone seems like an unreliable narrator, they probably are. They know the company…

> I'm talking about obvious abusive behavior, akin to griefing other users Right, but we're talking about a private isolated AI account. There is no sense of social interaction, collaboration, shared spaces, shared behaviors... Nothing. How can you have such an analogue here?

Plenty of reasons: Abusing private APIs, using false info to sign up (attempts to circumvent local regulations), etc.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by mikkupikku »

exe34 wrote: post #172
mikkupikku wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read it, and it's not enough to make a judgement either way. For all we know none of this had anything to do with his ban and he was banned for something he did the day before. There's no way for third parties to be sure of anything in this kind of situation, where one party shares only the information they wish and the other side stays silent as a matter of default corporate policy. I am not saying that the author…

we don't know your true motivations for making this series of posts and doubling down - and yet we give you the benefit of the doubt.

Asserting that somebody is "victim blaming" isn't giving somebody the benifit of the doubt, and in the context of a scenario were few if any relevant facts are known reveals a very credulous mindset.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by exe34 »

bee_rider wrote: post #47
ipaddr wrote: post #17

You are lucky they refunded you. Imagine they didn't ban you and you continued to pay 220 a month. I once tried Claude made a new account and asked it to create a sample program it refused. I asked it to create a simple game and it refused. I asked it to create anything and it refused. For playing around just go local and write your own multi agent wrapper. Much more fun and it opens many more possibilities with unce…

LLMs are kind of fun to play with (this is a website for nerds, who among us doesn’t find a computer that talks back kind of fun), but I don’t really understand why people pay for these hosted versions. While the tech is still nascent, why not do a local install and learn how everything works?

Claude code with opus is a completely different creature from aider with qwen on a 3090.

The latter writes code. the former solves problems with code, and keeps growing the codebase with new features. (until I lose control of the complexity and each subsequent call uses up more and more tokens)

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by phreack »

ankit219 wrote: post #91
cortesoft wrote: post #5

I am really confused as to what happened here. The use of ‘disabled organization’ to refer to the author made it extra confusing. I think I kind of have an idea what the author was doing, but not really.

My rudimentary guess is this. When you write in all caps, it triggers sort of a alert at Anthropic, especially as an attempt to hijack system prompt. When one claude was writing to other, it resorted to all caps, which triggered the alert, and then the context was instructing the model to do something (which likely would be similar to a prompt injection attack) and that triggered the ban. not just caps part, but that…

Wait what? Really? All caps is a bannable offense? That should be in all caps, pardon me, in the terms of use if that's the case. Even more so since there's no support at the highest price point.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by layer8 »

alistairSH wrote: post #12
cortesoft wrote: post #5

I am really confused as to what happened here. The use of ‘disabled organization’ to refer to the author made it extra confusing. I think I kind of have an idea what the author was doing, but not really.

You're not alone. I think the author was doing some sort of circular prompt injection between two instances of Claude? The author claims "I'm just scaffolding a project" but that doesn't appear to be the case, or what resulted in the ban...

It wasn’t circular. TFA explains how the author was always in the loop. He had one Claude instance rewrite the CLAUDE.MD of another Claude instance whenever the second one made a mistake, but relaying the mistake to the first instance (after recognizing it in the first place) was done manually by the author.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by exe34 »

lukashahnart wrote: post #87

> I got my €220 back (ouch that's a lot of money for this kind of service, thanks capitalism). I'm not sure I understand the jab here at capitalism. If you don't want to pay that, then don't. Isn't that the point of capitalism?

that's not what capitalism mean. you might be thinking of a free market.
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