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Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by kasabali »

rramadass wrote: post #155
keeda wrote: post #106

This will sound pedantic but I'll explain why it matters: the exact wording is "We need to do something useful with AI", because the current (editorialized) submission title (of an already slanted article) makes it sound like people don't know what to do with AI. We already know many useful things to do; there are already 10,000 startups (9789 out of YC alone, 4423 of which are coding-related) doing various ostensibl…

You are exactly right! However, i would say Satya Nadella is quite different from other American CEOs (whose mantra is "greed is good") in that he comes from an Indian middle class family whose focus was on education/good-work and also being forced to take care of a son who suffered from cerebral palsy. All of these shaped his worldviews to be more empathetic of the "common man" which is reflected in his style of lea…

You are either hopelessly naive or you're being dishonest if you think he's even slightly less sociopathic than any other of 'em.

Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by rramadass »

kasabali wrote: post #171
rramadass wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are exactly right! However, i would say Satya Nadella is quite different from other American CEOs (whose mantra is "greed is good") in that he comes from an Indian middle class family whose focus was on education/good-work and also being forced to take care of a son who suffered from cerebral palsy. All of these shaped his worldviews to be more empathetic of the "common man" which is reflected in his style of lea…

You are either hopelessly naive or you're being dishonest if you think he's even slightly less sociopathic than any other of 'em.

You are clueless if you think all CEOs are the same.

Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by rramadass »

keeda wrote: post #158
rramadass wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are exactly right! However, i would say Satya Nadella is quite different from other American CEOs (whose mantra is "greed is good") in that he comes from an Indian middle class family whose focus was on education/good-work and also being forced to take care of a son who suffered from cerebral palsy. All of these shaped his worldviews to be more empathetic of the "common man" which is reflected in his style of lea…

Agreed on all counts; despite his stilted style of talking, he does come across as much more human than the rest. That said, he's competing in circles dominated by absolute sociopaths. I can't imagine how you could battle with monsters in the abyss and not get Nietzsche'd at least a little bit.

He is balancing it pretty well without losing his fundamental values.

As this article itself alludes, in-spite of sinking a large amount of money into OpenAI he is genuinely looking for ways to make it useful rather than just make money.

Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by lifestyleguru »

tstrimple wrote: post #161
asdaqopqkq wrote: post #141

As for me, ChatGPT and Claude were able to diagnose and fix health issues that multiple doctors failed to fix. I trust LLMs more than random doctors and blogs. Cause they are able to search the web deeply, search for up to date info/research and synergize all that. You can have back and fourth for as long as you need. The issue is that using LLMs properly requires a certain skill that more people lack.

I've come to distrust a number of "experts" in my time. It's not that I don't believe in expertise. It's that so many people bullshit it. From the people who promise to fix my drywall to the people who promise to fix my van. They are all fucking incompetent. I know because I've fixed the issues they have pointed out better than they have at a lower cost. Multiple times. Even when pricing out my own time at consultant…

Sad truth is, experts are not interested in doing casual services for randos. Those interested are learning their stuff, at best. Applies everywhere from mechanic wanting to replace the suspension, to doctor advising an invasive procedure. Many make a bank and put everything into real estate before even becoming a truly mid level specialist.

Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by 1718627440 »

jjj123 wrote: post #94
madcaptenor wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would imagine links can be hallucinated because the original URLs in the training data get broken up into tokens - so it's not hard to come up with a URL that has the right format (say https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.01234 - which is a real paper but I just made up that URL) and a plausible-sounding title.

Yeah, but the current state of ChatGPT doesn’t really do this. The comment you’re replying to explains why URLs from ChatGPT generally aren’t constructed from raw tokens.

How do you explain it then, when it spits out the link, that looks like it surprisingly contains the subject of your question in the URL, but that page simply doesn't exist and there isn't even a blog under that domain at all?

Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by 1718627440 »

SkiFire13 wrote: post #162
MadDemon wrote: post #17

LLMs and their capabilities are very impressive and definitely useful. The productivity gains often seem to be smaller than intuitively expected though. For example, using ChatGPT to get a response to a random question like "How do I do XYZ" is much more convenient than googling it, but the time savings are often not that relevant for your overall productivity. Before LLMs you were usually already able to find the in…

I think you're underestimating how many people don't know how to properly search on google (i.e. finding the proper keywords, selecting the reputable results, etc etc). Those are probably also the same people that will blindly believe anything a LLM says unfortunately.

True, I do not know how two properly search something on google.com in 2025. I only know how to do it on startpage.com in 2025, kagi.com in 2025 or google.com in 2015.

Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by lazide »

1718627440 wrote: post #176
jjj123 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but the current state of ChatGPT doesn’t really do this. The comment you’re replying to explains why URLs from ChatGPT generally aren’t constructed from raw tokens.

How do you explain it then, when it spits out the link, that looks like it surprisingly contains the subject of your question in the URL, but that page simply doesn't exist and there isn't even a blog under that domain at all?

Near as I can tell, people just don’t actually check and go off what it looks like it’s doing. Or they got lucky, and when they did check once it was right. Then assume it will always right.

Which would certainly explain things like hallucinated references in legal docs and papers!

The reality is that for a human to make up that much bullshit requires a decent amount of work, so most humans don’t do it - or can’t do it as convincingly. LLMs can generate nigh infinite amounts of bullshit for cheap (and often more convincing sounding bullshit than a human can do on their own without a lot of work!), making them perfect for fooling people.

Unless someone is really good at double checking things, it’s a recipe for disaster. Even worse, doing the right amount of double checking makings them often even more exhausting than just doing the work yourself in the first place.

Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by remix2000 »

lvl155 wrote: post #42
remix2000 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GenAI is only useful to bump terrible up to mediocre, so it'd be really stupid to spend time honing one's prompting skills. And as you noticed, so far 96% of the population agrees.

It’s really not going to bump up terribles to mediocres. It’s only going to mask the terribles and make it harder to assess intelligence and talent. Underlying human intelligence is not going to get a boost from AI. Intelligence is mostly innate. I would even argue that AI will make average humans marginally dumber for the most part.

Yeah, also, isn't it already proven that offloading thinking onto chat bots causes some kind of irreversible brain damage/dementia? (also BTW "mediocre" is still not "acceptable" despite Slophauses trying to convince people otherwise)

Re: Satya Nadella: "We need to find something useful for AI"

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Post by podgorniy »

Level of absurditiy of this is amazing.

WT actual F? They invested so much into something what is not obvious brings value? Will there be consequences on them? Or they take the bonus and hide in New Zealand bunker?

It's big money betting on narratives from wanna-be-big money how AI is transformative for the future. Public takes all the risks with hardware and energy inflation or bailing out banks out of investments which require pruductivity growth from AI which we don't yet see in statistics.

We took the wrong turn somewhere. And responsible people don't seem to be capable or willing to change the course. Too much power in too few weak minds. Nothing good will come from this.

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