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Yes, you can use ReFS on desktop Windows.
It's not easy to set up is it? I just installed Windows 11 on a laptop two days ago and I don't remember seeing an option to choose it.
Prediction: Microsoft will eventually ship a Windows-themed Linux distro
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Re: Prediction: Microsoft will eventually ship a Windows-themed Linux distro
#172Because the "UX" of Windows sucks, Microsoft will switch the "Kernel" to Linux? I don't get the argument. There are parts of Windows I don't like, so I have chosen a 3rd-party (often open-source) replacement. The exact same process as I do on Linux. I don't see why I have to switch to Linux to have that freedom. (and to be honest, I don't care where the taskbar is)
Yeah, I was about to say. The NT kernel isn’t bad at all; it’s arguably better than Linux. It’s just that an OS is more than a kernel, and pretty much all the other crap in Windows is terrible. Honestly, what I would like them to do is make/support a modern Copy on Write filesystem so that System Restore actually works , and so that it’s easy to roll back when Windows Update borks your PC. You don’t need Linux for ei…
The NT kernel misses all modern features like containers though.
Re: Prediction: Microsoft will eventually ship a Windows-themed Linux distro
#173They already do, it is called WSL.
Really, people want so much The Year of Desktop Linux, yet everyone is busy fighting each other for the last 25 years.
The "everyone will switch in droves into Linux" meme keeps popping up every time Windows sentiment is down, since the early 2000's.
But then nothing really happens, because Linux distros keep being for highly technical people, or those that happen to have free technical support from their children or grandchildren.
Without Proton Valve doesn't even have games for SteamDeck, as they failed to create a business case that even studios that already have games using the technology stack available on GNU/Linux, targeted to Android NDK, don't bother with porting their games.
When buying devices online like the Dell XPS Developers edition, the usual "works best with Windows" was still all over the place.
Year of Desktop Linux is already here, on WSL and Apple Virtual Framework, and those companies have no commercial reason to go beyond that, regardless of Internet wishes.
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Yeah, I was about to say. The NT kernel isn’t bad at all; it’s arguably better than Linux. It’s just that an OS is more than a kernel, and pretty much all the other crap in Windows is terrible. Honestly, what I would like them to do is make/support a modern Copy on Write filesystem so that System Restore actually works , and so that it’s easy to roll back when Windows Update borks your PC. You don’t need Linux for ei…
The NT kernel misses all modern features like containers though.
Windows containers exist since Windows 10.
Containers are hardly modern, they trace back to offerings on 1990's, like HP-UX Vaults.
Re: Prediction: Microsoft will eventually ship a Windows-themed Linux distro
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It's not easy to set up is it? I just installed Windows 11 on a laptop two days ago and I don't remember seeing an option to choose it.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dev-drive/
I meant for installing on root though; these look like they're for "side drives"?
Re: Prediction: Microsoft will eventually ship a Windows-themed Linux distro
#176This is possible… but surely it will be Linux with a walled garden on top. The first clue will be a version of the Xbox running an OS with this model.
The console vendors are deathly allergic to GPL code and won't touch it with a ten foot pole, so even if the Xbox does move away from NT there's almost no chance of it moving to Linux. They'd sooner use a BSD like Sony does, or roll a custom kernel like Nintendo did.
Is not steam exactly doing that and other vendors follow their footsteps?
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This is a good point. The kernel stuff of Windows isn't really the problem. I've been on macOS for eons, but I still hope that some day, someone at microsoft will have the balls to make a Windows Redux. Which is just Windows 7 with a coat of paint; and less stuff, installable separately; geared towards speed and not stuffings.
I don't know about you but I am happy with most of the stuff that Microsoft still ships with Windows userspace (surprisingly) and kernel. Win32, stable driver APIs (I can still run Win11 on my old Nvidia GPU laptop which Linux doesn't support), COM, good remote desktop infrastructure, DirectX 12, WPF, ClearType or certain Win32 aspects like IO completiton ports (allows true async like uring does but in Windows since…
Yes, I do miss Balmer.
At least on what concerns Windows development, everything was much better with him, even if the command.com wasn't great, there were alternatives already.
GUI frameworks have become a mess, .NET, C++ and Visual Studio are now AI tainted as well.
Re: Prediction: Microsoft will eventually ship a Windows-themed Linux distro
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a good point. The kernel stuff of Windows isn't really the problem. I've been on macOS for eons, but I still hope that some day, someone at microsoft will have the balls to make a Windows Redux. Which is just Windows 7 with a coat of paint; and less stuff, installable separately; geared towards speed and not stuffings.
ReactOS has entered the chat.
Welcome to 2003, not really.
Re: Prediction: Microsoft will eventually ship a Windows-themed Linux distro
#180Because the "UX" of Windows sucks, Microsoft will switch the "Kernel" to Linux? I don't get the argument. There are parts of Windows I don't like, so I have chosen a 3rd-party (often open-source) replacement. The exact same process as I do on Linux. I don't see why I have to switch to Linux to have that freedom. (and to be honest, I don't care where the taskbar is)
I think OPs point is that people are going to eventually abandon the sinking Windows ship, because gamers are going to soon abandon ship en-masse. That certainly tracks for me (mostly a non-gaming Windows user). It follows that, at some threshold number of users, it becomes much cheaper to ship a Linux distro than to continue to support Windows proper. :shrug: Guess we'll see in 15 years.
Yeah, that is why Valve needs Proton. /s
Game studios don't care about Linux on the client side.