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The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by pegasus »

jacquesm wrote: post #132
huhkerrf wrote: post #4

It's such a joke that we're even having to discuss this. Has there ever been such a thin-skinned, self-absorbed leader of a major power before? Even his biggest fans have to admit, if only to themselves, that he acts like a toddler.

Not to help you with your sleeping patterns but: a toddler that could overnight decide to instruct US hosting providers and other infrastructure companies that they can no longer serve EU customers, that the .COM registry domains can only be registered by US entities, that any country owes the US any part of its territory 'or else'. The Nobel Prize is a footnote, it should have never happened, but there are much wors…

They did mention the toddler in question is leader of a major power, so I don't think what you're saying is going to surprise GP.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by samiv »

jacquesm wrote: post #132
huhkerrf wrote: post #4

It's such a joke that we're even having to discuss this. Has there ever been such a thin-skinned, self-absorbed leader of a major power before? Even his biggest fans have to admit, if only to themselves, that he acts like a toddler.

Not to help you with your sleeping patterns but: a toddler that could overnight decide to instruct US hosting providers and other infrastructure companies that they can no longer serve EU customers, that the .COM registry domains can only be registered by US entities, that any country owes the US any part of its territory 'or else'. The Nobel Prize is a footnote, it should have never happened, but there are much wors…

The "or else" is actually on rather shaky grounds considering the national debt. For the sake of argument if certain countries decided to stop buying US treasury bonds the federal state would be insolvent about 5s later. Certainly a default of that size would destroy the economy in every single country pretty much except maybe Cuba and North Korea.

The EU (and Europe) will have to lean East until Germany remilitarizes. US will find itself alone with enemies on all sides.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by ripe »

nephihaha wrote: post #126
ripe wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, Kissinger was far, far worse than any other recipient of the peace prize. Quote from Gary Bass, professor of politics and international affairs at Princeton University and author of "The Blood Telegram: Nixon, Kissinger, and a Forgotten Genocide:" "In at least one crucial part of the world, Kissinger’s legacy is fixed: In South Asia, Indians and Bangladeshis widely remember Kissinger as an unusually cruel and col…

Kissinger was a horrific choice. You get no quarrel from me on that. But the Obama thing was ridiculous and they should have waited longer before giving him it.

Sure, and no one was more surprised than Obama, but he was self-aware in his graceful acceptance. You should read his speech [1]

In the context of Nobel's history of controversial awards, your complaint sounds like a petty grudge against Obama.

[1] https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/remark...

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by michaelt »

vintermann wrote: post #147
apexalpha wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever wondered why poor countries are often littered with statues of their leaders? A life of wealth, 0 consequences and only yes-men around you tends to produce these self absorbed people.

There's a newspaper photography cliché: "Person walks past a huge mural of [dictator]". I have noticed since the 90s and often wondered if a few of these images might be manipulated (replacing the background would be the easiest thing in the world).

A photo journalist can ‘manipulate’ such images into being without manipulating anything.

You just go to the huge mural with your camera and wait for someone to walk by.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by bambax »

Kissinger, one of the worst war criminals in history, got a Nobel Peace Prize in 1973 (and didn't steal it from someone else). Those prizes don't mean much. Time spent by Trump toying with medals is time not spent doing harm.

We should award him a medal every minute -- and, at the same time, stand firm against his aggressive stances. An eye for an eye, but a medal for everything else.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by jedberg »

Keyframe wrote: post #5

Fun fact, Oscar winners don't fully own their statues since 1950. AMPAS reserves the right to buy it back for $1 if they want to sell it. Ownership of the statue is conditional, meaning it can't be freely sold or disposed of.

Same with the Emmy. It says it right on the bottom (along with a warning that only actual winners can be photographed holding it).

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by jacquesm »

samiv wrote: post #173
jacquesm wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to help you with your sleeping patterns but: a toddler that could overnight decide to instruct US hosting providers and other infrastructure companies that they can no longer serve EU customers, that the .COM registry domains can only be registered by US entities, that any country owes the US any part of its territory 'or else'. The Nobel Prize is a footnote, it should have never happened, but there are much wors…

The "or else" is actually on rather shaky grounds considering the national debt. For the sake of argument if certain countries decided to stop buying US treasury bonds the federal state would be insolvent about 5s later. Certainly a default of that size would destroy the economy in every single country pretty much except maybe Cuba and North Korea. The EU (and Europe) will have to lean East until Germany remilitarize…

You're suggesting semi-rational behavior from a non-rational actor. That might not work out.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by realo »

agumonkey wrote: post #144
romanhn wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The post itself contains a fascinating historical precedent that maps pretty well to the current situation: Knut Hamsun (Literature Prize 1920): In 1943, the Norwegian author Knut Hamsun travelled to Germany and met with Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels. After returning to Norway, he sent his Nobel medal to Goebbels as a gesture of thanks for the meeting. Goebbels was honoured by the gift. The present whereabouts…

it's quite incredible that trump put himself on the list of autocrats being given others prizes

Hum... the word "autocrat" might be too polite, and some in the Trump fan club might actually not understand it's meaning completely.

I would suggest "fascist", instead.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Post by lokar »

shubhamjain wrote: post #59
huhkerrf wrote: post #4

It's such a joke that we're even having to discuss this. Has there ever been such a thin-skinned, self-absorbed leader of a major power before? Even his biggest fans have to admit, if only to themselves, that he acts like a toddler.

Considering his approval rating is still in low 40s, and not 0, tells you volumes about the average American mind.

For many Americans (on both sides) politics is not about policy.

It's about tribalism and nihilism. Decades of political disfunction (defined by the failure of elected leaders to enact policy broadly supported by voters) has lead to a loss of faith in the ability of government (as currently structured) to deliver anything. If government (and other institutions) have failed to deliver anything to someone, it's understand why they may not care about its destruction.

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