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Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

komali2 wrote: post #125
general1465 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let French engineers sell jailbreaking hardware It is sold by Israeli engineers for at least a decade and mostly bought by law enforcement. > Romanian developers sell unlock keys for John Deere tractors That infrastructure exists since year 2000. Called chiptuning tools, but it is usually done by Italians or Swiss. And specifically for John Deere we had some Ukrainian company, I don't remember exact name.

> That infrastructure exists since year 2000. Called chiptuning tools, Sure, but it's a crime to provide these tools to people or instruct them how to bypass controls, is it not?

Yes. That's the point Cory wisely makes: that America has forced other countries to agree to our draconian & anti-human brutal felony-offense-of-business-nidel IP laws, as a condition for other trade agreements.

Most regions do have these laws. Enforcement sometimes is lax, yes, but America and it's businesses do go after people internationally sort of at their pleasure.

Having a world where it's not illegal to understand & look at how the devices around us work is a bare minimum, imo, spiritually, for government to stop being in opposition to honor erectus, man, the tool maker. Letting us do things too lets us live up to our namesake of homo sapien, man the brain-ed one.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #126
komali2 wrote: post #30

I liked this bit by Doctorow recently https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/01/39c3/ If you're getting tariffs anyway, why not just take the yoke of American business protection laws off your shoulders? Let French engineers sell jailbreaking hardware for iphones, or Romanian developers sell unlock keys for John Deere tractors.

This article is just wrong about the facts. Doctorow says "Anticircumvention law originates in the USA", but anticircumvention law originates in the WIPO Copyright Treaty, which all EU members and all their major trade partners are signatory to. The DMCA was passed to 2 years after this treaty was signed to implement the American obligations under it.

Where did the WIPO come from SpicyLemonZest? Where huh where? Honk

(It was shaped and driven by US and other big business interests.)

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by swed420 »

komali2 wrote: post #58
sixothree wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fox News happened.

Maybe. I feel like I watched live on 4chan as Trump was presented as a joke and then true believers started posting as well. Maybe 4chan was documenting the phenomenon but it always felt like it willed it into existence like it did q-anon.

It's probably multiple factors at play.

Look up the pied piper "strategy" that Dems used to intentionally elevate Trump, exposed by wikileaks.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by mentalfist »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #126
komali2 wrote: post #30

I liked this bit by Doctorow recently https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/01/39c3/ If you're getting tariffs anyway, why not just take the yoke of American business protection laws off your shoulders? Let French engineers sell jailbreaking hardware for iphones, or Romanian developers sell unlock keys for John Deere tractors.

This article is just wrong about the facts. Doctorow says "Anticircumvention law originates in the USA", but anticircumvention law originates in the WIPO Copyright Treaty, which all EU members and all their major trade partners are signatory to. The DMCA was passed to 2 years after this treaty was signed to implement the American obligations under it.

Well, many jurisdictions copied or were pressured to adopt DMCA-like language, especially via trade agreements.

Modern, expansive, DMCA-style anticircumvention regime that now dominates global law can be said to originate from the US.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by padjo »

omnimus wrote: post #155
dh2022 wrote: post #35

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I think Europe can handle Russia by itself quite well. The Baltics are vulnerable, but Poland will definitely kick Russia's butt in a military engagement. Poles will defend EU's eastern flank. I expect Europe to distance itself from US. Let's see.

I think you are underestimating how entrenched and strong US lobby is. European governments are filled to the roof with US boosters whos whole wealth is tied to what US wants. Even people like Macron have been bribed by US companies for decades. And now with huge hard right turn in europe all those “nationalists” will just bend over even more to get US lobby money and consulting contracts. They are already tied to na…

I think you have a very poor understanding of European politics. Not even Meloni and Farage will get behind this sort of behaviour from the US.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by dh2022 »

omnimus wrote: post #155
dh2022 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Europe can handle Russia by itself quite well. The Baltics are vulnerable, but Poland will definitely kick Russia's butt in a military engagement. Poles will defend EU's eastern flank. I expect Europe to distance itself from US. Let's see.

I think you are underestimating how entrenched and strong US lobby is. European governments are filled to the roof with US boosters whos whole wealth is tied to what US wants. Even people like Macron have been bribed by US companies for decades. And now with huge hard right turn in europe all those “nationalists” will just bend over even more to get US lobby money and consulting contracts. They are already tied to na…

It looks like the behavior of EU governments contradict what you wrote. Germany is not selling off Ukraine (last week Merz re-affirmed full support for Ukraine's security)

And the US are now being hated by Europeans. Supporting Donnie's latest lunacy is not a winning political move in EU. For example, France, Germany, and Sweden sent troops in Greenland to protect against US, all those US boosters in their governments be damned.

So I think what I wrote makes sense: EU will distance itself from US and will be able to protect itself against Russia. It helps EU that today's Russian military is not the one from 1943/44/45 - but it is the one from 1918 (corrupt and ineptly led).

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #172
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article is just wrong about the facts. Doctorow says "Anticircumvention law originates in the USA", but anticircumvention law originates in the WIPO Copyright Treaty, which all EU members and all their major trade partners are signatory to. The DMCA was passed to 2 years after this treaty was signed to implement the American obligations under it.

Where did the WIPO come from SpicyLemonZest? Where huh where? Honk (It was shaped and driven by US and other big business interests.)

The “and” is doing a lot of work there! You have to respond to US aggression by targeting US interests - it completely defeats the point to do things that also hurt your other trade partners and domestic big businesses. Do European big businesses (or Japanese big businesses) not want anticircumvention laws?

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by jenadine »

morkalork wrote: post #153
jeppester wrote: post #96

Can this be revoked after the midterms? In that case I guess the EU can wait it out.

If there are midterms.

I think this whole thing is part of a plot to cause war or some protests in order to be able to declare a state of emergency allowing him to delay or cancel elections. If not the midterm, at least the next presidential elections. Because it is the only way he can stay in power.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by Jackson__ »

exabrial wrote: post #22

> Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, and Finland would face the tariff and that it would climb to 25% on June 1 if a deal is not in place for “the Complete and Total purchase of Greenland” by the United States

Me wonders how many millions of peasants he is ready to throw into the wood chipper to pay for this. Just kidding, of course I know it's all of them.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by lysace »

alephnerd wrote: post #170
lysace wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Ce n'est pas parce que vous choisissez d'ignorer l'américanisation de la politique française qu'elle n'est pas en train de se produire progressivement. Both the US and France share similar undercurrents.

Europe has a stronger moral backbone though, post WW2.

(Not French.)

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