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Gas Town Decoded

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Re: Gas Town Decoded

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Post by 3dsnano »

vessenes wrote: post #154
jamestimmins wrote: post #5

I actually love the idea of totally new naming schemes for experimental software. Certain name types are so normalized (agent, worker, etc) that while they serve their role well, they likely limit our imagination when thinking about software, and it's a worthwhile effort to explore alternatives.

Not just this, but I’ve been thinking that naming things with aggressively strong connotations might help Claude get out of ‘nice/helpful’ mode. “You are the Deacon, grrrrr”. So there might be actually be a bit of effectiveness added by naming an agent appropriately. I offer no opinion on the word polecats.

yes, totally. AI-luddites see this as whimsy, but it's actually wizard-level power of abstractions and context ascension. if u know u know

Re: Gas Town Decoded

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Post by tom_ »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #99
tom_ wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This appears to be the coin in question: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/gas-town/ - up 222,513.21% in the past week! (And down 25.26% in the last 24 hours. But... suppose it goes back up again?!)

4 hours later, the 24h change is down just shy of 90%. To me this looks like a classic shitcoin pump and dump.

Not a good look. Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46654878

Re: Gas Town Decoded

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Post by 3dsnano »

mccoyb wrote: post #29
mccoyb wrote: post #21

I think Yegge and Huntley are smart guys. I don't think they're doing a good job incubating their ideas into being precise and clearly useful -- there is something to be said about being careful and methodical before showing your cards. The message they are spreading feels inevitable, but the things they are showing now are ... for lack of better words, not clear or sharp. In a recent video at AI Engineer, Yegge comm…

Here's a separate, optimistic comment about Yegge and Huntley: they are obviously on the right track. In a recent video about Loom (Huntley's orchestration tool), Huntley comments: "I've got a single goal and that is autonomous evolutionary software and figuring out what's needed to be there." which is extremely interesting and sounds like great fun. When you take these ideas seriously, if the agents get better (by h…

yes, and Yegge + Huntley are doing it in an fun and creative way, breaking rules that make folks really mad and huffy puffy. this is a renaissance to those who can see it, those who drink the koolaid willingly, because it makes you trip balls and come up with crazy ideas... just like Hypercard...

why do we drink it? because its awesome and makes software 100X more FUN than it used to be. what yegge + huntley are doing is intensely creative. they are having FUN. and i am have FUN!!!!!

Re: Gas Town Decoded

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Post by alecco »

keyle wrote: post #66

I'd help build Gas City and Gas State, and Gas Country if that would mean we actually would solve the things AI promised to solve. All sickness, famine, wealth ... The problem is, we're just fidgeting yolo-fizzbuzz ad nauseam. The return on investment at the moment is probably one of the worst in the history of human investments. AI does improve over time, still today, but we're going to run out of planet before we g…

That doesn't make any sense.

Yegge named it Gas Town as in "refinery" because the main job for the human at this stage is reviewing the generated code and merging. "

The whole point of the project is to be in control. Yegge even says the programmers who can read/review a lot of code fast are the new 10x (paraphrasing).

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Post by krupan »

Kostchei wrote: post #144
keyle wrote: post #66

I'd help build Gas City and Gas State, and Gas Country if that would mean we actually would solve the things AI promised to solve. All sickness, famine, wealth ... The problem is, we're just fidgeting yolo-fizzbuzz ad nauseam. The return on investment at the moment is probably one of the worst in the history of human investments. AI does improve over time, still today, but we're going to run out of planet before we g…

Are you saying that people can't work out what to code using these? Or that code is not a worthy subject to use AI for? 'cause I got news for you... 1. Improving coding improved reasoning in the models. Having a verifiable answer that is not a single thing is a good training test. 2. Software has been used for fairly serious things. We used to have skyscrapers of people doing manual math. Now we have campuses of peop…

Replacing human computers with electronic computers is nothing like what LLMs do or how they work. The electronic computer is straight up automation. Same input in gives you the same input out every time. Electronic computers are actually pretty simple. They just do simple mathematical operations like add, subtract, multiply, and divide. What makes them so powerful is that they can do billions of those simple operations a second.

LLMs are not simple deterministic machines that automate rote tasks like computers or compilers. People, please stop believing and repeating that they are the next level of abstraction and automation. They aren't.

Re: Gas Town Decoded

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Post by lovich »

lovich wrote: post #96
alexjurkiewicz wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His latest post is endorsing a crypto exchange because they paid him $50k. https://steve-yegge.medium.com/bags-and-the-creator-economy-...

That entire article sounds like my friends who think AI is real and keep sending their parents money into crypto scams. I think I’ll just develop a drinking problem if this is Gas Town becomes something real in the industry and this kind of person is now one of our thought leaders.

Too late to edit,

Who thinks AI is a real person*

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Post by Otterly99 »

nl wrote: post #56
chrisjj wrote: post #39

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How rich do you have to be not care about the environmental cost?

I think Andrew Ng wrote a great piece on this. For example, in the US, which do you think uses more water: Golf Courses or Data Centers? a) Gold Courses use twice as much water as Data Centers b) About the same c) Data Centers use twice as much water as Gold Courses The answer is "None of the above": "Golf courses in the U.S. use around 500 billion gallons annually of water to irrigate their turf [snip] data centers…

Thank you for pointing that out. It irritates me every time I see the "water waste" argument. A toilet tank contains 5-13L of water, so if everybody started flushing only half the time they piss, that's an average of 4.5L of water saved per usage! That's roughly 900 LLM queries (using the 5 gram of water figure). Yet, I don't see anybody urging other to flush less, even thought it would have a much bigger impact. And if you ask, yes, I only flush once in a while, so I earned my tokens.

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Post by troupo »

soulofmischief wrote: post #139
troupo wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are responding to some voices in your head, not to the context of the conversation. You're also presuming too much about what I'm thinking and being dead wrong about that.

I am responding to what you wrote: > We are perpetually just months away from software jobs being obsolete. only hype artists are saying this. and you're using it as a way to negate the argument of more skeptical people.

Functional illiteracy and lack of any capacity to hold any context longer than two sentences has long been a plague on HN. Now that we've outsourced our entire thinking process to "@grok is this true", it has now claimed almost the entirety of human race.

soulofmischief: complains that AI-skeptics would say the Wright brothers were idiots because they didn't imediately implement a supersonic jet

ares623: we were promised supersonic jets today or very soon (translation: AI hype and scam artists have already promised a lot now)

eru: The passive voice is doing a lot of work in your sentence. (Translation: he questions the validity of ares623's statement)

me: Here are just three examples of hype and scam promising the equivalent of super jet today, with some companies already being burned by these promises.

soulofmischief: some incoherent rambling

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Post by neoromantique »

ncruces wrote: post #111
soulofmischief wrote: post #74

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The Wright brothers are idiots, if it were me I'd have made a supersonic jet from the get go and not waste my time mucking around with prototypes.

The prototype phase meant data centers are now measured in MW instead of TFLOPS. At a time where we were desperate to reduce emissions, data centers now consume around 20% of the energy consumed by the entire aviation sector, with consumption is rising at 15% YoY. Never mind the water required to cool them, or the energy and resources required to build them, the capital allocation, and the opportunity cost of not all…

Emissions and Energy consumed do not necessarily have to be linked up.

We have plenty of ways to make clean energy, it is only matter of incentives.

As long as burning coal is simply cheaper, business will burn coal.

Re: Gas Town Decoded

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Post by troupo »

meowface wrote: post #152
troupo wrote: post #108

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You are responding to some voices in your head, not to the context of the conversation. You're also presuming too much about what I'm thinking and being dead wrong about that.

Your posts here remind me of Trumpists citing random Twitter leftists as Democratic party leaders.

Lol. "random leftists"

First two come directly from OpenAI, Anthropic and others

Last one is literally made rounds even on HN e.g. Klarna bringing back their support staff after they tried to replace them with AI.

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