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Re: Roam 50GB is now Roam 100GB

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Post by behnamoh »

hbarka wrote: post #148
behnamoh wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"That man" is the only person so far who's actually helped the Iranian people get their voices heard amidst government shutdown of the entire internet. Like it or not, Persians love him.

By this logic, Persians also hate him because he played a big factor in destroying USAID, an organization that has helped Iranians in humanitarian aid and disaster relief. Persian-language broadcasting by Voice of America and Radio Farda has been destroyed by Musk.

> By this logic, Persians also hate him because he played a big factor in destroying USAID, an organization that has helped Iranians in humanitarian aid and disaster relief.

Is this a joke? Persians never received such aids. If USAID sent any money to Iran, it went straight to the islamic regime's proxies in the region.

Re: Roam 50GB is now Roam 100GB

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Post by permo-w »

afavour wrote: post #55
behnamoh wrote: post #22

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"That man" is the only person so far who's actually helped the Iranian people get their voices heard amidst government shutdown of the entire internet. Like it or not, Persians love him.

This is a very low effort reply. Does doing one good thing erase all the bad things a person has done? If that's the argument you're making, make it.

don't call someone else's comment low effort and follow it with little more than a strawman-ish summary of what you'd like the comment to have said

Re: Roam 50GB is now Roam 100GB

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Post by _blk »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #119
mattmaroon wrote: post #52

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While I semi-agree, they both do plenty to encourage it. I mostly just wish Elon would stop using the R word. Not enough that I’m going to cancel my plan, but come on.

I'm not certain what "the R word" is, but if you mean "retard" (and derivatives), then there's absolutely nothing wrong with that word. No reasonable person is offended by calling things retarded.

I agree that no person should be offended. Obviously that's not ground truth..

If we could all agree that life would be easier if people were offended less, then instead of only trying to get people to offend other people less by telling them what is acceptable to say we could also get people to try to not take offense as much when they hear what they don't want to hear we'd have solved the offense problem from both ends.

TL;DR: Just be nice. Life's easier when you're nice even when people aren't nice to you but it does take effort.

Re: Roam 50GB is now Roam 100GB

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Post by behnamoh »

afavour wrote: post #77
buellerbueller wrote: post #73

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As I recently said about Scott Adams: "Good things can be done by Bad people." I think to assume that humans are these monolithic, logically consistent entities is to badly misunderstand humanity. For example, Planned Parenthood--an organization I definitely believe in--was essentially created by a woman who was a eugenicist--something I definitely do not believe in.

> I think to assume that humans are these monolithic, logically consistent entities is to badly misunderstand humanity. I don't think anyone is doing that though. But to decide whether to give someone's business money you do have to come to some sort of decision about their net good vs bad. It's logically consistent for the OP to be aware that Musk is aiding internet connectivity in Iran but still oppose giving him m…

> It's logically consistent for the OP to be aware that Musk is aiding internet connectivity in Iran but still oppose giving him money.

Why not flip this on its head? It's also logically consistent for people to be aware that Elon has done things they disagree with and still choose to buy his products.

Re: Roam 50GB is now Roam 100GB

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Post by iknowstuff »

izzydata wrote: post #133
homebrewer wrote: post #118

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I think they will have enough clients from other parts of the world to make it work. Large areas of my country can't really be covered with wired networks, it's too expensive to make it economically feasible without massive government subsidies, for which there's no money. Starlink has already been used to connect very remote rural schools which previously only had dial-up connectivity (enough to send text email, but…

It's not really American politics when Elon decides to turn off your countries internet for personal gain. Having such critical infrastructure in the hands of someone unstable wouldn't be a choice I ever make for something so important.

You are probably referring to ukraine and you should know that this was entirely fake news. It was never disabled. It had never been enabled in Crimea in the first place, in accordance with US gov policy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russian-Ukrain...

    In 2022, Elon Musk denied a Ukrainian request to extend Starlink's coverage up to Russian-occupied Crimea during a counterattack on a Crimean port, from which Russia had been launching attacks against Ukrainian civilians; doing so would have violated US sanctions on Russia.[18] This event was widely reported in 2023, erroneously characterizing it as Musk "turning off" Starlink coverage in Crimea.
But you’re right of course that it might be in a sovereign country’s interest to build out their wired infrastructure instead of relying on external actors.

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Post by ingenieros »

homebrewer wrote: post #118
lta wrote: post #58

Regardless of the price and the data, I'd never subscribe to this service due to the owner. I'm looking forward for alternatives from a more neutral vendor

I think they will have enough clients from other parts of the world to make it work. Large areas of my country can't really be covered with wired networks, it's too expensive to make it economically feasible without massive government subsidies, for which there's no money. Starlink has already been used to connect very remote rural schools which previously only had dial-up connectivity (enough to send text email, but…

USAID was ironically a significant customer for Starlink. People are probably already familiar with the 5,000 Ukraine terminal scandal, but pretty much all their offices (in Colombia at least) had 1 or more terminals. What does USAID have anything to do with this conversation? Well, DOGE was largely responsible for putting the final nail on that coffin. If you think he cares about remote rural schools having connectivity you better think again.

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Post by codezero »

typon wrote: post #131
dayyan wrote: post #127

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That's the magic of the free market. Even with no direct rival yet, Starlink innovates like crazy because the threat of competition is always there and consumers demand excellence. Unlike state-granted monopolies, those parasitic structures stagnate and plunder the people.

Is this why Google Search has been getting better and better every year?

It was, until Matt Cutts left.

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Post by ingenieros »

briandw wrote: post #161
whimsicalism wrote: post #141

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Does Jeff Bezos believe we need white solidarity to survive because non-white people are a threat to white men?

Citation needed

Here you go: https://www.columnblog.com/p/the-adl-ignores-yet-another-elo...

Re: Roam 50GB is now Roam 100GB

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Post by bborud »

gordonhart wrote: post #124
lta wrote: post #58

Regardless of the price and the data, I'd never subscribe to this service due to the owner. I'm looking forward for alternatives from a more neutral vendor

Would you rather buy from Jeff Bezos or a Chinese state-owned enterprise? Those are your likely options within the next 5-10 years.

In 20026 that’s a question I would have to answer with «I’ll have to get back to you on that».

In fact, sometimes I wish I had chosen a profession where I didn’t need an internet connection at all.

Re: Roam 50GB is now Roam 100GB

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Post by permo-w »

buellerbueller wrote: post #73
afavour wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very low effort reply. Does doing one good thing erase all the bad things a person has done? If that's the argument you're making, make it.

As I recently said about Scott Adams: "Good things can be done by Bad people." I think to assume that humans are these monolithic, logically consistent entities is to badly misunderstand humanity. For example, Planned Parenthood--an organization I definitely believe in--was essentially created by a woman who was a eugenicist--something I definitely do not believe in.

people understandably love to understand complex things as simple logical puzzle pieces. they do it with words too. people have this tendency to act like words are formally-defined mathematical concepts, and then agonise over whether their experiences fit those concepts, then use those concepts as proof for their arguments. this is, of course, essentially simply a description of communicating with language, and for most words it's absolutely fine; the words have so little variance and breadth in definition that it doesn't matter. the issue arises when the words are not clearly defined, and it becomes even worse (and more common) when the words are emotionally loaded. people adore using emotionally, loaded, weakly defined terms to end an argument quickly. it's essentially sophistry. we're all absolutely awash with these terms right now due to the dominance of headlines, tweets, content titles and other short form stretches that demand dense, emotionally charged meaning in a small space. if you'd like some examples, take "fascism", "sexual harassment" and "eugenics".

don't say someone is "essentially a eugenicist". it's such a vaguely defined term that this borders on useless. if you believe something like this, justify it with: "she supported x policy I disagree with" or "she believed in the reduction of y trait in the populace" or whatever it is that triggered you to take on this belief in the first place

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