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Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by pazimzadeh »

tptacek wrote: post #141
zjzkshz wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's also not much evidence that any major government in the world wants Iran toppled I’m sorry what? Maybe this is an argument over terminology, but Israel absolutely wants Iran toppled in any colloquial definition of the word. This has been their stated goal since the 90s. And much of their activity in the Middle East since then is towards this goal. > and especially Israel --- which has basically depantsed th…

I know there's a sizable cohort of online people in the west who are convicted of the idea that Israel exists solely as a US proxy and is held in check only by Iran, but obviously no. Israel --- leave aside all the moral stuff right now --- is a hypercapable advanced high-state-capacity regional nuclear power with an extremely effective military. If they didn't buy arms from us, they'd buy them from someone we liked…

> There's also not much evidence that any major government in the world wants Iran toppled

...proceeds to describe how Israel is a major government

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by tim333 »

submeta wrote: post #13

Western governments do not want democracy in Iran. They want the son of Shah back in Iran, the Shah whose father tortured and exploited Iranians, and that led to the revolution and the rise of the mullahs. The US and Israel want regime change so Israel can dominate the ME. Just like they replaced Assad in Syria by Jolani, a wanted Al Qaeda terrorist who does not oppose Israel in any way but slaughter kurds and alavit…

Nah. They'd be happy with democracy there.

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by throwaway37426 »

ebbi wrote: post #107
tptacek wrote: post #102

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I think that's an extraordinary claim.

Why do you think it's extraordinary? I know quite a lot of Iranians, and when I talked about this with them about a year ago, their lay of the land given their own opinions and their wider networks opinion is that the majority of Iranians are pro-regime change but NOT at the hands of a US/Israeli intervention. There are anti-regime segments that are pro-US/Israel intervention, but they think this is a minority and th…

> After Israel bombed Iran last year, there were a few Israeli cells that were uncovered in Iran, so suggesting there is some foreign intervention isn't out of the ordinary.

What a leap of logic. I’d wager not being able to afford basic necessities and also your women being killed by morality police, not having any political freedom, not being able to decide how your government is run, etc. are enough incentives. Don’t you think the people there have enough agency to want all of these? If Israel wanted to intervene, it looks like Iranian government is doing their work for them by making Iran a living hell for its people.

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by tomhow »

zappb wrote: post #154
Cyph0n wrote: post #99

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Disagree with almost everything you said; too lazy to have an extended back and forth. Let’s follow up in a few months and see who was right.

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Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by rsynnott »

> ‘Jake’ claimed that a “top BBC anchor resigned on air and was immediately detained by security services” and that “crowds have surrounded the residence of the newly appointed ‘Governor General’ imposed by London”.

... I mean, I'm not sure anyone cares _that_ much about the Director-General of the BBC.

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by deadbabe »

Drupon wrote: post #14
deadbabe wrote: post #10

Horrible, but also very exciting. Imagine the huge content drop we’re gonna get when it comes back online and all the images and videos will go out all at once.

This is one of those thoughts you are supposed to keep to yourself and feel bad about having had to begin with because it reflects poorly on the morals you were raised with.

I was raised in the age of social media and have had a camera in my face for as long as I could remember.

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by tptacek »

pazimzadeh wrote: post #171
tptacek wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know there's a sizable cohort of online people in the west who are convicted of the idea that Israel exists solely as a US proxy and is held in check only by Iran, but obviously no. Israel --- leave aside all the moral stuff right now --- is a hypercapable advanced high-state-capacity regional nuclear power with an extremely effective military. If they didn't buy arms from us, they'd buy them from someone we liked…

> There's also not much evidence that any major government in the world wants Iran toppled ...proceeds to describe how Israel is a major government

And?

Re: Iran has now been offline for 96 hours

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Post by spwa4 »

burnt-resistor wrote: post #157
FergusArgyll wrote: post #110

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Yeah, that sounds absolutely awful compared to what it's like to live in Iran now

False choice. Both are bad.

Nope. Your "horror scenario" would be a definite improvement. Both are bad, perhaps, but not equally bad.
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