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Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by ornornor »

Fiveplus wrote: post #29
KronisLV wrote: post #19

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> The C15 represents a time when a vehicle was a tool. I feel vehicles want to turn into a subscription service these days. I wonder how differently cars would be built, if instead of maximizing for value extraction and crap nobody needs, they instead were optimized for utility and maintenance (and sure, fuel economy, aerodynamics and some sane environmental stuff). Like take the C15 and add 2-4 decades of manufactur…

That would be the absolute dream engineering brief. If I actually sit down and design that vehicle, it would have something like this. List, off the top of my head. 1. You keep the modern metallurgy and the crumple zones. You keep ABS and basic traction control because they are solved problems that save lives without needing cloud connectivity. 2. Instead of a 2000 USD proprietary touchscreen that will be obsolete in…

> Instead of a 2000 USD proprietary touchscreen that will be obsolete in 3 years, the dashboard could be just a double DIN slot and a heavy-duty, universal tablet mount with a 100W USB-C PD port. The car provides the power and the speakers and my phone provides the maps and music. When the tech improves, you upgrade your phone, not your dashboard.

Dacia does that. The base sandero comes with speakers and Bluetooth. The rest is up to you, there is no screen no radio.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by Nextgrid »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #37
Fiveplus wrote: post #29

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That would be the absolute dream engineering brief. If I actually sit down and design that vehicle, it would have something like this. List, off the top of my head. 1. You keep the modern metallurgy and the crumple zones. You keep ABS and basic traction control because they are solved problems that save lives without needing cloud connectivity. 2. Instead of a 2000 USD proprietary touchscreen that will be obsolete in…

> The sane environmental stuff you mentioned has morphed into a requirement for deeply integrated electronic oversight Decent catalytic converters require an array of sensors, ECU, and ability to fine control the engine inputs to work - without them most large cities would become smog ridden hells.

There's no reason technology has to be user-hostile. You can still have an ECU and screens and everything. When it breaks the screen can be used to tell you exactly which sensor input is out of range. There's no reason parts need to be serialized and learning a new part can only be done once.

You can build a modern vehicle that's still repairable.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by mihaaly »

thelastgallon wrote: post #123

The French seem to be very thoughtful people who solved multiple pesky problems permanently: 1) Guillotine for the super rich 2) Nuclear to power >70% 3) C15 for people, cows, craftsmen, mini house 4) TGV 5) french fries for the fastest carbohydrate delivery, handily beating rice I wish they bring back the first 3 and do some shorts, market them to the world. Fries are doing fine.

No. 5) is Belgian.

I believe both nation would be offended about the confusion of origins.

Americans simply thought they are in France in WWII when they ate it.

; )

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by verisimi »

Fiveplus wrote: post #12

The C15 represents a time when a vehicle was a tool. I feel vehicles want to turn into a subscription service these days. I still see these running in rural Spain and France, usually held together with wire and hope, clocking like what 400k+ km? The XUD diesel engines are practically unkillable. They have no ECU to brick, no adblue sensors to fail and put the car into limp mode and thankfully none of those DRM locked…

I can't believe we're still waiting for an open source car!

The open source washing machine and printer still aren't here either... :(

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by hypercube33 »

wrigby wrote: post #110
everdrive wrote: post #89

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And if people would make one that wasn't an iPad on wheels I'd be in line to buy.

This is my exact same sentiment. I’m cautiously excited about the upcoming Slate Pickup[1] - I can see it being my go-to if I leave NYC, but it still won’t hit like the XJ Cherokee I drove before I gave up cars for the city. 1: https://www.slate.auto/

I really want to like the slate but their speakers and tablet holder concept actually are awful. Just a super basic off the shelf din rail hole and aux in and slap the most basic touch screen with physical control stereo you can find in there that does air play and car play works for me.

also stereo speakers in the glove box is...what

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

technothrasher wrote: post #57
Fiveplus wrote: post #23

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With all due respect, you are confusing a software race condition with a hard fault in a safety critical system. Resetting the ECU only works if the error is a transient glitch in the code logic. If the failure is a physical sensor reading out of range? Furthermore, modern automotive architectures store permanent diagnostic trouble codes in non volatile memory specifically to prevent people from "just resetting it" t…

> If the failure is a physical sensor reading out of range? Then you buy a new sensor and put it in, just like you would any other failed part. > You would need a proprietary manufacturer tool to force a relearn or adaptation. You can do almost anything you need to do with a non-proprietary Autel tool. I mean, I get it, the manufacturers are absolutely doing their best these days to lock up repair and maintenance. Bu…

From experience if the air suspension ECU freaks out over a sensor reading out of range it's either water in one of the connectors, or the sensor is getting a bit worn and you've run it to the far end of its travel.

Getting the vehicle four-square (possibly jacking up the corner with the faulty sensor so it sits about the right height) and resetting the EAS ECU with a diagnostics tool will solve the problem in the short term.

The other thing of course is you can just get it to sit level or at least level-ish, then unplug the ECU, let it complain about some unspecified fault, and drive it without self-levelling until it can be repaired, probably when you're not knee-deep in mud.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by tanjtanjtanj »

kube-system wrote: post #157

> The Ford Ranger (2020). One of the most popular pickups in the US. A key selling point is that the cabin is so high you can run over toddlers without even noticing. The craziest thing about this criticism is that it is phrased as hyperbole but the reality is that this is seen as a small truck in the US. The Ford Ranger actually is the best selling pickup truck in Europe for 10 straight years, but doesn’t sell as mu…

The best part about the F-150 is that it isn't even toddlers at that point. The most common F-150 variant I see in my area's hood goes up to my shoulder and I'm 2 meters tall.

You often see the very important people driving these working their way through crowded parking lots and places that are primarily foot traffic with a "Wtach out for ME!" driving style.

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