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Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by rescbr »

tracker1 wrote: post #136
bikelang wrote: post #124

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I’m not sure what distro you used or how long ago this was - but I’ve been using Pop!_os as my general OS + dev env (and more recently switched off Windows to Bazzite for gaming) - and I’ve never once had to battle with audio or weird twiddling with settings to get stuff to work. In my experience - both have had the kind of out-of-the-box experience I’ve come to expect from Windows. If anything - Windows has required…

Try using a Bluetooth headset in online meetings. That's only the tip of the iceberg... Another is when you're trying to mix multiple inputs/outputs in Linux across various pro audio accessories, which only Mac seems to get right.

Usually PipeWire handles these situations better than PulseAudio, which is still the default audio daemon in many/most distributions.

To properly support Pro Audio you have to completely switch the audio stack to JACK - which I also used in MacOS a few years ago because Apple's audio stack wasn't up to the task as well.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by JohnTHaller »

snielson wrote: post #57

I love OneDrive. I don't know why everyone hates it. I save things in OneDrive, and they are backed up to the cloud and synced with the other computers I use. Some computers are shared by six family members, each with their own MS account and 1TB of storage. OneDrive makes it so the computers can have a 1TB hard drive but still give everyone ready access to their files by not storing them all on the hard drive. If I…

Considering I've had multiple family members and friends tricked into syncing to OneDrive without meaning to, I'd say that's a big reason. My Dad's old neighbor lost the ability to send and receive email after a Windows update did that to her, since it filled up her free Microsoft account and then Hotmail stopped working so she couldn't use email anymore and she had no idea why.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by rescbr »

dTal wrote: post #119
gcr wrote: post #102

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That's arch/hyprland though. You're even making it harder for yourself than it needs to be.

That's understating it. There's no amount of skill that will render that setup stable - it's baked into the way those projects are managed.

That's why I keep using Gentoo and X11 to handle my three GPU setup. An Intel iGPU, an AMD dGPU on the same package as the Intel CPU and a RTX 4060 Ti eGPU connected through Thunderbolt.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by joecool1029 »

Yeah I was in the minority that actually defended OneDrive but I'm facing my own issues with it recently. I'm aware of the windows default client behavior but on systems I have the storage on, I modify it to pull down everything. Bad UX on Microsoft's part but it's not related to what appears to be bigger issues under the hood.

Back in October I had issues with the Linux dlang Onedrive client deleting all the files shared with me. Unlike Microsoft, the developer actually acknowledged there could be a problem and we figured out the cause was new unintended behavior caused by an old config option, really long issue thread for it here: https://github.com/abraunegg/onedrive/issues/3475 (TL:DR it was a very niche situation unlikely to have affected anyone else, I have more concise thoughts on it in the Gentoo bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/964370 )

So that was really bad, but we were able to restore all the deleted files from her OneDrive web using its recycle bin. That leaves me with the issue I'm facing now. Some of the files which I created and put in the share she shares with me have my ownership but OneDrive doesn't recognize I created it and she can't change the permissions to share back to me. So now I have to figure out how many files are affected here and I guess copy them on her side so the new files get her ownership and share back properly to me.

I do want to say as well, those files just don't show up at all on my side in OneDrive but they DO show up in my Office apps recent list. It just refuses to let me open them. She sees them though with my ownership and both the web and windows onedrive clients throw errors if she tries to change the permissions. Absolutely maddening.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by greatgib »

close04 wrote: post #48
greatgib wrote: post #8

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Here it is really not a "footgun" that can shoot you accidentally, it is really volontary awful dark patterns. You say delete my "onedrive" storage content, why on earth someone sane should expect that Microsoft will also delete the data one your computer, that you never asked to be sent to OneDrive in the first place.

The comment I replied to suggested a generalization that "a too that allows you to make grave mistakes is too dangerous to use. We're surrounded by tools in real life and computers which allow you to make major mistakes (ever run a copy/sync tool like robocopy and others with source monitoring, and someone was deleting from the source after seeing the copy at the destination?). So I don't agree with their generalizat…

> OD didn't back up your data, it moved it to the cloud and didn't tell you.

Now I think that I understand your mistake. You think that onedrive moves the data to the cloud, and so obviously losing the cloud version makes you lose the file.

But it is not what is happening from my understanding, and here is the very dark pattern:

- The file is and stays in your computer. (Actually OneDrive doesn't know how to store more than what you have in local copy... totally miserable).

- So it is just a "copy" that is sent to the cloud.

- When you delete your files in their cloud (in the sense of getting ride of your storage there, and not only files), only then "OneDrive" actively goes to delete your files in your local disk!

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by greatgib »

tetromino_ wrote: post #36
reddalo wrote: post #19

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Yeah, I agree. Google Photos is super confusing. Why would anybody ever want their pictures to disappear from their phone if they delete them on the web? It doesn't make any sense.

> It doesn't make any sense. It makes perfect sense to me. I rely on that feature. My monitor is big and it's much easier to use the big screen to sort vacation photos and delete the 90% which are garbage and not worth preserving. When I delete the garbage ones, of course I want to delete them everywhere. (And if I accidentally deleted the wrong photo, I can undelete within 30 days.)

What doesn't make sense is that it is not explicit, and it is not easily and clearly configurable!

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

ad wrote: post #99
snielson wrote: post #57

I love OneDrive. I don't know why everyone hates it. I save things in OneDrive, and they are backed up to the cloud and synced with the other computers I use. Some computers are shared by six family members, each with their own MS account and 1TB of storage. OneDrive makes it so the computers can have a 1TB hard drive but still give everyone ready access to their files by not storing them all on the hard drive. If I…

The problem isn't using OneDrive. The problem is not using it. If you try to not use it, the dark patterns the article references appear.

My wife got into trouble whilst unknowingly using OneDrive. She had a lot of photos on her laptop and they were being uploaded to OneDrive until it hit a limit (1TB?) and then started nagging her to upgrade to more storage. I had to disable OneDrive and move the photos back to her computer to resolve it.

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Post by Phlebsy »

gcr wrote: post #102
Phlebsy wrote: post #96

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I get ~weekly crashes using an Nvidia card with arch/hyprland, but honestly it's less problematic for me to deal with than windows updates. I can format and rebuild my machine from scratch in less time than windows takes to download and perform an update. Flawless experience on non-nvidia hardware though.

That's arch/hyprland though. You're even making it harder for yourself than it needs to be.

Only have issues with it on my machine with an Nvidia card. Understand that it can be unstable and accept that when it happens - but with AMD/integrated graphics I don't have the same problem.

Either way, only serves to further the point that Linux is in a pretty good place and the experience should only be better on more stable options.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by JohnFen »

lostmsu wrote: post #83
JohnFen wrote: post #4

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OneDrive doesn't always work fine, though. I avoid it like the plague because a OneDrive screwup caused me loss of valuable data. Was it user error? Maybe, maybe not, but that's irrelevant. If it's so easy to make an unrecoverable and catastrophic mistake, it's a tool that's too dangerous to use on the daily.

How do you lose data on OneDrive? It has a 30 day (if not longer) file history.

All I know is that a bunch of files reverted to very old versions and I found no way to recover from that. It was pure loss. How did it happen? I have no idea. But how doesn't matter at all to me. What matters to me is that OneDrive proved itself untrustworthy.

Re: Everyone hates OneDrive, Microsofts cloud app that steals and deletes files

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Post by bigyabai »

exographicskip wrote: post #165
chao- wrote: post #58

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>the only remaining use case for me is a gaming PC More and more it seems people don't even find it necessary for that. I'm "the Linux friend" for a lot of my friends, and over the last year-ish a surprising number of them have asked about advice for switching to Linux. I've helped four people attempt the switch, and three out of the four have stuck with Linux so far.

cachyos has been nearly flawless for a non-steam deck (gpd win mini 2). Upgrades broke my tv being set to the primary display under gamemode but that was an easy fix. The other game changer (heh) was going all in on amd: cpu, integrated gpu, and discrete gpu via oculink. Nvidia may be the best overall performance for gaming and ai workloads, it still doesn't play nice with linux gaming

I don't think that's Nvidia's fault, I've never seen an eGPU enclosure system of any type work seamlessly on Linux.
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