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Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by soco »

everdrive wrote: post #148
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For computers we have linux, ok, but how are iOS and Android being replaced?

Mobile phones are baffling to me. I heard a story recently that the Venezuelan government is stopping people on the street and inspecting mobile phones for dissident content. In such an environment, why are people relying on phones for anything? Why trust it at all? This stupid device _could_ get you taken to prison for merely having the wrong ideas, but you've still _just got to_ use it! I'm starting to think that i…

Venezuela you say? The US would be checking my entire social media history, not only what is on the phone, if I ever plan to enter the US.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by BoxOfRain »

everdrive wrote: post #148
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For computers we have linux, ok, but how are iOS and Android being replaced?

Mobile phones are baffling to me. I heard a story recently that the Venezuelan government is stopping people on the street and inspecting mobile phones for dissident content. In such an environment, why are people relying on phones for anything? Why trust it at all? This stupid device _could_ get you taken to prison for merely having the wrong ideas, but you've still _just got to_ use it! I'm starting to think that i…

Yeah I do think if your trust in state institutions is gone for whatever reason (such as living in a dictatorship), it'd be absolute madness to carry around an electronic snitch with you. I'm not sure what I would rely on in those circumstances, but it certainly wouldn't be smartphones. Personally I'd want to rely on in-person communication as much as possible.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by rzerowan »

aebtebeten wrote: post #93
ryandrake wrote: post #10

I'm not sure what benefit any country outside of the USA gets for honoring trade agreements that bind them to enforce US anti-circumvention, US copyright, and US DRM. A fortune awaits any country who has the guts to say "you know what, USA, we're going to allow blatantly copying your shit--what are you going to do, tariff us? Oh, wait, you already are!"

I could be mistaken, but believe that may have been tried before... (if Lenin had observed copyright and given imperial bondholders a haircut but still made some token payments, would he have been given a seat at the farmers' poker table?)

There is the case where SouthAfrica wanted to introduce pretty much a copy/paste US version of the Fairuse DRM law that already exists in US law and the Multicorps went ballistic , and the USG was threatening sanctions.

Not for the first time either , in the early 2000s SAfrica wanted looser patent enforcment for lifesaving HIV treatments and did get sanctioned.With resolution of the law being droppped and corps getting bought out via USAID/Pefpar payment.

So yeah whatever option that is tried , better be fully baked before the announcement.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by everdrive »

BoxOfRain wrote: post #172
everdrive wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mobile phones are baffling to me. I heard a story recently that the Venezuelan government is stopping people on the street and inspecting mobile phones for dissident content. In such an environment, why are people relying on phones for anything? Why trust it at all? This stupid device _could_ get you taken to prison for merely having the wrong ideas, but you've still _just got to_ use it! I'm starting to think that i…

Yeah I do think if your trust in state institutions is gone for whatever reason (such as living in a dictatorship), it'd be absolute madness to carry around an electronic snitch with you. I'm not sure what I would rely on in those circumstances, but it certainly wouldn't be smartphones. Personally I'd want to rely on in-person communication as much as possible.

I'd go even further. Even if you trust it now, can you trust it in 5 years? How much of your data do apps, companies, and mobile providers hold onto? The real answer is that you don't know. So if your phone is a super precise GPS that you can't turn off (eg: Android) -- were you near a crime scene by chance? How about a big protest 2 years before the political winds shifted. Who knows you were there? You can't know for sure.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by fsflover »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #104
Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

For computers we have linux, ok, but how are iOS and Android being replaced?

My daily driver is a GNU/Linux phone, Librem 5: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by RobotToaster »

defrost wrote: post #134
rithdmc wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, it's not an uncommon thing to hear from people when performing community outreach (think door knocking). External push, definitely, but it's also being repeated by the demographic this narrative is being pushed to. I can't comment on whether or not they believe it, but it's certainly repeated by some here in Ireland.

> but it's certainly repeated by some here in Ireland. To be fair to Ireland and history they have a valid complaint going back centuries wrt outsiders taking their lands, language, governance, food and labour all while debating "the Irish Question" and reaching for eugenic "solutions".

You could make the same argument for Britain wrt the Normans.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by dagenleg »

aebtebeten wrote: post #88
OGEnthusiast wrote: post #67

Europe is in a tough spot these days, trying to unwind decades of economic partnership with the USA while simultaneously trying to fend off Russia from Ukraine.

Optimists practise speaking Cantonese, pessimists— speaking Russian, realists— stripping and reassembling rifles?

Why Cantonese?

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by Supernaut »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #147
defrost wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but it's certainly repeated by some here in Ireland. To be fair to Ireland and history they have a valid complaint going back centuries wrt outsiders taking their lands, language, governance, food and labour all while debating "the Irish Question" and reaching for eugenic "solutions".

> To be fair to Ireland and history they have a valid complaint going back centuries wrt outsiders taking their lands, language, governance, food and labour all while debating "the Irish Question" and reaching for eugenic "solutions". Odd then, that they didn't notice when this happened post GFC when basically all of the land banks and large assets were sold off to (predominantly) US based private equity funds. And h…

> it's very important that no residents of South Dublin should be inconvenienced

What's that supposed to mean?

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by flumpcakes »

mlrtime wrote: post #153
flumpcakes wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> entirely dependent on US It's more of a co-dependence. When it comes to military we have fallen behind significantly, but the EU member states also doesn't want to spend a trillion euros a year on it. It may seem one sided, but the EU has a lot more to gain if there was a hard split between them and the US. It will be significantly more painful for the EU, for a long time, but ultimately it would be the undoing of…

>It's more of a co-dependence. When it comes to military we have fallen behind significantly, but the EU member states also doesn't want to spend a trillion euros a year on it. Yes, you get it. And the American tax payers also don't want to fund EU lack of spending on military. We are all in agreement.

I meant the EU doesn't want to spend the money on it's own R&D. It would rather give American companies hundreds of billions.

It's the US preference that the EU doesn't spend too much, it doesn't want to compete. See nuclear deterrence.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by TylerLives »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #145
Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

The idea that EU surveillance is greater than US surveillance is almost certainly mistaken. In fact, a huge reason that the EU is looking to move away from U.S. commercial providers is that they can’t guarantee they won’t be giving the U.S. govt information about EU users even if they setup completely independent EU based entities. The reason why it might appear that the EU is more heavy handed is because the EU is a…

What about censorship?
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