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RAM is cheap mmmkay? Or at least it used to be when they designed the thing…
Is it a RAM problem though? My understanding is that each process loads the shared library in its own memory space, so it's only a ROM/HDD space problem.
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And yet Rust ecosystem practically killed runtime library sharing, didn't it? With this mentality that every program is not a building block of larger system to be used by maintainers but a final product, and is statically linked with concrete dependency versions specified at development time. And then even multiple worker processes of same app can't share common code in memory like this lib, or ui toolkit, multimedi…
> And yet Rust ecosystem practically killed runtime library sharing, didn't it? Yes, it did. We have literally millions of times as much memory as in 1970 but far less than millions of times as many good library developers, so this is probably the right tradeoff.
And increasingly, many C++ libraries are header only, meaning they are always statically linked.
Haskell (or GHC at least) is also in a similar situation to Rust as I understand it: no stable ABI. (But I'm not an expert in Haskell, so I could be wrong.)
C is really the outlier here.
Why don't Mozilla make or use such engine in its browser? Make something really native for dealing with ads and annoyances. The irony is Brave smartly uses Rust which were forsaken by Mozilla. I know Mozilla seems to have something for ads but honestly I don't even know what it really does, beside its shield icon.
This is what Firefox blocks by default: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enhanced-tracking-prote...
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Isn't this what Helium is doing? I have been using it as daily driver for half a year, works a charm. Only would like better 1Password integration.
Helium is based on ungoogled-chromium. It enables manifest v2 by simply reverting some code changes made by google. So, if google decides to remove manifest v2 wholly, helium will also lost its ublock original support.
I am surprised there does not exist a community fork of Brave yet that strips out all of the commercial stuff (rewards, AI, own updates), making it suitable for inclusion in the repos of mainstream free/libre Linux distros.
Brave's adblocking engine is a neat example of open source and the ease of sharing lbraries in Rust. It uses Servo crates (also used by Firefox) to parse CSS and evaluate selectors, and is then itself published as a crate on crates.io where it can be pulled in by others who may want to use it.
So brave has two CSS engines? One for rendering and one for blocking?
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There is quite a lot of costs associated with running a browser (at scale). Brave is looking to offer something that does what you mention called Brave-origin. Brendan talks about this a bit more here: https://x.com/BrendanEich/status/2006412918783619455
This is good news, but I am confused by the following: """ Brave Origin is: 1/ new, optional, separate build (stripped down, no telemetry/rewards/wallet/vpn/ai); 2/ free on Linux, one time buy elsewhere. """ So the stripped down version (at least the non-Linux one) will not be open source?
As other people have mentioned you can resell open source software. I have a big box Linux distro on my shelf here.
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You can hide bat with one click as soon as you install brave
Linux distros won't host the code for the commercial bits. It doesn't matter if you can hide it, it's the fact that it's there at all
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> And yet Rust ecosystem practically killed runtime library sharing, didn't it? Yes, it did. We have literally millions of times as much memory as in 1970 but far less than millions of times as many good library developers, so this is probably the right tradeoff.
Static linking is still better than shipping a whole container for one app. (Which we also seem to do a lot these days!) It still boggles my mind that Adobe Acrobat Reader is now larger than Encarta 95… Hell, it’s probably bigger than all of Windows 95!