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Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by carlosjobim »

dmix wrote: post #156
wswope wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People always say this like the tech industry wasn't culturally anti-copyright and pro-creative commons before. I completely agree with that. The problem is that the current system is such that only billion dollar players can flout the rules, while everyone else is left in the dust. Worst of both worlds IMO.

Others already mentioned they lost their lawsuit. Should the fines have killed Anthropic? Would have been more fair and a less bad world? Why not focus energy on being anti-aggressive copyright in general. These system won't ever be fair. It's just rent seeking enabled by the government and some people can afford the rent.

To pick a nit: Technically Anthropic didn't loose any lawsuit or pay any fine. They came to an agreement with the authors to pay them a $1,5 billion settlement. Which was a lot of money per book.

Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by cassepipe »

flipped wrote: post #51
sanskritical wrote: post #17

I recommend Anna's Archive get a Nostr account. Once they finally have a solid court order to seize domains, generally the rate at which they get seized accelerates greatly. Nostr is the only decentralized manner (no, Mastodon/fediverse is dependent on domain names, which are getting seized by courts in relation to this -- it is not decentralized at all when it comes down to it) that people can reliably use to have a…

Better have a .onion. It's almost impossible to seize and you control the keys. YOU ARE THE OWNER, not some for-profit registrar. Onions should be the default, it's secure (you own the keys), decentralized and far better than relying on CAs for encryption.

How are we supposed to discover official .onion adresses though ? Is there some kind of DNS for that ?

Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by wswope »

dmix wrote: post #156
wswope wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People always say this like the tech industry wasn't culturally anti-copyright and pro-creative commons before. I completely agree with that. The problem is that the current system is such that only billion dollar players can flout the rules, while everyone else is left in the dust. Worst of both worlds IMO.

Others already mentioned they lost their lawsuit. Should the fines have killed Anthropic? Would have been more fair and a less bad world? Why not focus energy on being anti-aggressive copyright in general. These system won't ever be fair. It's just rent seeking enabled by the government and some people can afford the rent.

You’re talking past me for no real reason, mate. That’s precisely the point I’m making.

Young Carlos thinks it matters that Anthropic got sued when they can keep flouting the rules anyway, and I disagree: it’s not a fair system until we ditch the rent-seeking entirely.

Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by votepaunchy »

carlosjobim wrote: post #171
dmix wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Others already mentioned they lost their lawsuit. Should the fines have killed Anthropic? Would have been more fair and a less bad world? Why not focus energy on being anti-aggressive copyright in general. These system won't ever be fair. It's just rent seeking enabled by the government and some people can afford the rent.

To pick a nit: Technically Anthropic didn't loose any lawsuit or pay any fine. They came to an agreement with the authors to pay them a $1,5 billion settlement. Which was a lot of money per book.

And a lot more expensive per book than buying, digitizing, and destroying the physical copy. Which was ruled legal.

Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by chrisjj »

tokai wrote: post #162
chrisjj wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They're not 'a' non-profit How do you know? > and there's simply no way to know that they're not taking in loads of money and pocketing it. Or that they are, right?

They are not a non-profit because they are not a registered company/organization.

There is no requirement for a non-profit organisation to be registered.

Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by NelsonMinar »

hliyan wrote: post #13

Is this an abuse of the ServerHold status? Was this the same mechanism used to delist a Gaza video archive recently? > This status code is set by your domain's Registry Operator. Your domain is not activated in the DNS. > If you provided delegation information (name servers), this status may indicate an issue with your domain that needs resolution. If so, you should contact your registrar to request more information.…

The fascist website Stormfront lost their .org in 2017 with some very unclear procedural action, but I don't think it was a ServerHold. It was offline for quite awhile and I think genuinely hurt the site. Although it looks like it's back now?

Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by lukan »

mmooss wrote: post #164
MarsIronPI wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but they weren't not going to, given that their mission is to archive all cultural content, by hook or by crook.

Archiving it and publishing it are different things. More importantly, they may sabotage their mission: If Spotify shuts them down, their exiting archives and especially future archives may be effectively lost.

Fortunately, Spotify does not have that power. Annas Archive is not based in US or EU jurisdictions. They can make access for normal people a bit harder, but not shut it down.

(Edited for clarity)

Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by tremon »

mmooss wrote: post #167
MarsIronPI wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they're going to have .onion and .p2p addresses, they should also add Yggdrasil. Yggdrasil is easier to have always running in the background so I don't have to toggle it on just to access AA. EDIT: Never mind, I forgot how the Tor software works. I still think also having Yggdrasil would be nice, though.

How do you access Yggdrasil? .onion addresses require downloading a web browser.

I access .onion addresses from the same browser I'm typing this comment in. You need a Tor proxy, but other than that it's regular http traffic.

Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by MarsIronPI »

tremon wrote: post #178
mmooss wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you access Yggdrasil? .onion addresses require downloading a web browser.

I access .onion addresses from the same browser I'm typing this comment in. You need a Tor proxy, but other than that it's regular http traffic.

Oh I forgot that running Tor doesn't automatically route traffic through it. My mistake, sorry.

Re: Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension

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Post by blell »

miroljub wrote: post #5
dmm wrote: post #4

> We recommend checking our Wikipedia page for the latest domains. I wonder how wikipedia feels being used as DNS? EDIT: Apparently this is a well known practice. Some interesting discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40008383

Anna Archive is a notable project. Wikipedia displays links to projects. It's not about "being used as DNS" but about providing basic info about the topic, URL being an important part of it.

Kiwifarms is also a notable web site but they do not show a link to it. This means there is editorialisation going on.
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