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Try to take my position: The best promotion advice I ever got
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Re: Try to take my position: The best promotion advice I ever got
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
Smaller details for your bigger picture: > 1. Promotions are not a reward for past performance. Instead, they are a bet that you will contribute more towards those goals with a promotion than without one. It's both. You reasonably can't keep someone in the same position for 5 years when their market value has long gone past that point and they're expecting more. Even if you're not sure they won't be Peter principled…
These are great clarifications. And I agree that, taken to an extreme, this is abusive towards employees. But I think most (good) companies handle this pretty well. I've seen a couple of patterns: 1. Your boss trusts that your instinct are aligned with theirs, and gives you more latitude. Maybe they allow you to design architecture your way rather than requiring detailed review. Maybe they delegate reviewing other pe…
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Re: Try to take my position: The best promotion advice I ever got
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Smaller details for your bigger picture: > 1. Promotions are not a reward for past performance. Instead, they are a bet that you will contribute more towards those goals with a promotion than without one. It's both. You reasonably can't keep someone in the same position for 5 years when their market value has long gone past that point and they're expecting more. Even if you're not sure they won't be Peter principled…
These are great clarifications. And I agree that, taken to an extreme, this is abusive towards employees. But I think most (good) companies handle this pretty well. I've seen a couple of patterns: 1. Your boss trusts that your instinct are aligned with theirs, and gives you more latitude. Maybe they allow you to design architecture your way rather than requiring detailed review. Maybe they delegate reviewing other pe…
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Re: Try to take my position: The best promotion advice I ever got
#174Really good advice, and honestly wish I had known this at the start of my career. It makes a lot of sense, exactly because proactiveness is the secret sauce to a lot of successes in life.
Re: Try to take my position: The best promotion advice I ever got
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Actually, you operate on the next level for certain amount of the time. You work with your manager to file for your promotion case. That's how the typical big corps work with promotions. This has always struck me as a pretty juicy deal going for the corporation. They get N years of "next level" work out of you while still being able to pay those N years in "previous level" salary. Good deal for them. How ridiculous…
That's true. I am out of the promotion game grind now. Personally, I have reached my ceiling and the time is better spent else where.
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Re: Try to take my position: The best promotion advice I ever got
#176Just do your job. Don't stress out trying to do your boss's job. Your department is likely to be off shored or made redundant in a merger anyway.
Re: Try to take my position: The best promotion advice I ever got
#177> What he meant was simpler and more powerful: start doing the job before you have the title. Take on more responsibility before you're officially given it.
protip: this won't get you promoted, won't get you any accolades within the company, and will more like get you on a Performance Improvement Plan
if you want to get promoted, get a offer at another company and take that offer
if you want a fat bonus, if your company has a formal bonus structure, do other's people's work for them while potentially neglecting your own
Re: Try to take my position: The best promotion advice I ever got
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 1. Promotions are not a reward for past performance. Instead, they are a bet that you will contribute more towards those goals with a promotion than without one. Actually, you operate on the next level for certain amount of the time. You work with your manager to file for your promotion case. That's how the typical big corps work with promotions. So technically, it is using your past experience to prove that you ar…
> Actually, you operate on the next level for certain amount of the time. You work with your manager to file for your promotion case. That's how the typical big corps work with promotions. This has always struck me as a pretty juicy deal going for the corporation. They get N years of "next level" work out of you while still being able to pay those N years in "previous level" salary. Good deal for them. How ridiculous…
I suppose it balances in the end, though. If you could make more money elsewhere you'd go elsewhere, so the whole reason you are willing to accept being underpaid through the transitionary phase is because you realize that you will be overpaid afterwards.
Re: Try to take my position: The best promotion advice I ever got
#179In my view, the meta-advice is to understand the goals and constraints of your boss (and their boss), and work towards those goals (while adhering to the constraints). With that perspective, we can derive some rules of thumb: 1. Promotions are not a reward for past performance. Instead, they are a bet that you will contribute more towards those goals with a promotion than without one. 2. As the OP says, if you are de…
> 1. Promotions are not a reward for past performance. Instead, they are a bet that you will contribute more towards those goals with a promotion than without one.
> 2. As the OP says, if you are demonstrating performance at your boss's level, that's evidence/proof that a promotion is warranted.
That's not evidence for 1. At least you haven't explained a reason why it would be.
Re: Try to take my position: The best promotion advice I ever got
#180But but
I don't want a promotion. I don't want a new role.
I want more money to keep doing what I already do.