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NYC Mayoral Inauguration bans Raspberry Pi and Flipper Zero alongside explosives

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Re: NYC Mayoral Inauguration bans Raspberry Pi and Flipper Zero alongside explosives

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Post by tptacek »

cyberax wrote: post #124
afavour wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crime rates reduced during the time stop and frisk was implemented. But when it was removed, crime rates remained low: https://www.brennancenter.org/media/5670/download Strongly suggests correlation but not causation.

Yes, crime decreases tend to stick. Chicago started with similar conditions as NYC (30 murders per 100000 in 1991), but they didn't have no-nonsense mayors like Bloomberg and Rudy. So its murder rate now is still 5 times that of NYC. Broken window policing and stop-and-frisk absolutely worked. Stop-and-frisk was found to be unconstitutional, but it also was highly effective.

CPD generally does whatever NYPD does. The difference is that New York isn't Chicago. Different geography, different forces at work. Peter Moskos wrote a whole book about how NYPD turned things around in the 1990s, and "stop and frisk" and "broken windows", whatever Malcolm Gladwell wants you to believe, don't feature prominently in it.

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Post by ssl-3 »

kube-system wrote: post #170
ssl-3 wrote: post #168

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I simply adore how flexibly-placed the goalposts are in this particular game of Calvinball.

Seriously, this thread reads almost as if 5 different people have chimed in with their own individual thoughts

I'd reply very directly and in earnest, but such a reply would violate the guidelines.

Re: NYC Mayoral Inauguration bans Raspberry Pi and Flipper Zero alongside explosives

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Post by apetresc »

dfxm12 wrote: post #147
anigbrowl wrote: post #117

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Agreed. This comes off as self-absorbed and entitled - 'how dare the security team not recognize my ascended morality and technical genius! Suppose an evil hacker does plan to disrupt the event - the only thing that stops a bad guy with a Flipper Zero is a good guy with a Raspberry Pi running wireshark!'

Adafruit is headquartered in New York and selling raspberry pi is a big part of their business. Reading this as self absorbed or entitled is disingenuous. They're worried about their business & asking why these brand names are singled out is a legitimate question.

Literally not a single prospective RPi customer would have even known Mamdani banned them from his inauguration party if Adafruit hadn't gone out of their way to point it out. And literally not a single one of those prospective customers would have cared, similarly to how nobody cares that "strollers" are also banned.

This is the stupidest thing to get mock-offended by.

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Post by terminatornet »

dmitrygr wrote: post #137
hnlmorg wrote: post #33

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They’re not banned by the government. They’re just not allowed at the NYC Mayors inauguration party.

Not allowed = “banned” By Government security apparatus = “by government”

banned at one event.

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Post by undeveloper »

_zagj wrote: post #68

All of the comments so far have been about > le heckin' security theater targeting tinkerbros and none addressing the elephant in the room of why Mamdani needs all of this security, or frankly, any security at all? Just a few years prior, he tweeted out #DefundThePolice, and of the NYPD specifically, suggested "Defund it. Dismantle it. End the cycle of violence." And even though he's walked some of that back, he stil…

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Post by ssl-3 »

alsetmusic wrote: post #169
ssl-3 wrote: post #140

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There's no legitimate purpose in bringing crayons and a coloring book, or a box of paperclips, either. We should probably see to it that nobody brings any of those things in, as well.

> There's no legitimate purpose in bringing crayons and a coloring book, or a box of paperclips, either. Do you genuinely think that a parent with a small child does not have a legitimate reason to bring crayons and a coloring book to an event for adults or are you being hyperbolic? Cause this suggests either bad-faith or a profound lack of clarity about the issue and neither is good for your argument.

Good point. There's probably no legitimate reason for non-voting children to be present at such a political event, either.

And by way of the process of excluding these children, the motivation for bringing other items without legitimate use like crayons, coloring books, and paperclips will be greatly diminished.

It's win-win. Thank you for the excellent insight!

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Post by ajdude »

throwup238 wrote: post #57
Etheryte wrote: post #42

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This is not really accurate though. Both a Raspberry Pi and a Flipper Zero can easily and readily be turned into a signal jammer or spammer with off the shelf parts and nearly no technical skill. Modern smartphones are generally both more locked down and also don't come with an external antenna option.

> Modern smartphones are generally both more locked down and also don't come with an external antenna option. There are USB On-the-Go compatible SDRs [1] that you can hook up to an Android phone that cost like $50 (don't know if there are any that would work with iOS though). [1] https://www.nooelec.com/store/sdr/sdr-receivers/nesdr-nano-t... (this one doesn't support wifi frequencies, but this was off the top of my…

Even if this could jam signals, which a sibling comment attests that it cannot, I wouldn't be surprised if it gets flagged by security if you try to bring it in and hook it up to your phone

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Post by alsetmusic »

ssl-3 wrote: post #176
alsetmusic wrote: post #169

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> There's no legitimate purpose in bringing crayons and a coloring book, or a box of paperclips, either. Do you genuinely think that a parent with a small child does not have a legitimate reason to bring crayons and a coloring book to an event for adults or are you being hyperbolic? Cause this suggests either bad-faith or a profound lack of clarity about the issue and neither is good for your argument.

Good point. There's probably no legitimate reason for non-voting children to be present at such a political event, either. And by way of the process of excluding these children, the motivation for bringing other items without legitimate use like crayons, coloring books, and paperclips will be greatly diminished. It's win-win. Thank you for the excellent insight!

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Re: NYC Mayoral Inauguration bans Raspberry Pi and Flipper Zero alongside explosives

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Post by edgineer »

crazygringo wrote: post #103

It's not like they're banning them across all of NYC... it's just security at the inauguration event. "Large bags" are banned too. > When a policy bans specific devices rather than behaviors or capabilities, it creates ambiguity for people on the ground. To the contrary, how the heck is someone working security at the entrance supposed to check for a device's "behaviors or capabilities"? This is a quick visual inspec…

>There's no legitimate purpose in bringing any of those to a high-profile political event.

I've carried a flipper zero with me to use as a copy of my key when I misplaced my original.

Re: NYC Mayoral Inauguration bans Raspberry Pi and Flipper Zero alongside explosives

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Post by edgineer »

dylan604 wrote: post #58
mfro wrote: post #53

I feel like this isn’t the kind of thing that just shows up on normal people’s radars out of nowhere. There must be some precedent, maybe a bunch of kids recently showed up to a similar event with these items

lots of things. Remember the Cartoon Network PR stunt where they placed DIY LED "signs" of characters from a show around Boston not long after the bombing there? What about the kid in Texas that was accused of bringing a bomb to show his teacher his DIY electronics Arduino project? What about the Mr Robot episode using a RPi? Also, people putting these regulations in place are not normal people but people that think…

Boston's reaction to the mooninite signs, especially in comparison to how all the other cities reacted to them, was ridiculous, and rightfully ridiculed.

The alarm clock wasn't an arduino project, the student took an alarm clock apart and put the insides into case, specifically so that it would look like a bomb, then brought it to school, and rather than receive detention and that be the end of it, the news went wild with it as a discrimination case.

These were cases of overreaction in the moment.

Maybe that's the real lesson here; these rules for the inaugural block party are not to secure the block from electronic interference, but as part of a system to manage the reactions of panicky, irrational people.

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