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I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by illiac786 »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #118

Just migrated away my personal email (with custom domains) from Microsoft 365 to Proton, and boy, it is such a better experience. M365 has become an intangible mess of a multitude of different admin dashboards redirecting you around and complicating things beyond comprehension. For the migration, I wanted to backup my entire email backlog. It took me two hours to finally get it connected to thunderbard via IMAP and d…

I agree with everything, just want to add a downside of proton which is often forgotten: there is no search. You cannot search your emails’ body (headers work, but keywords like “from:” still do not work for search), you cannot search the content of your files, etc.

It’s the price of end-to-end encryption.

The only workaround is synchronising everything locally and searching locally.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by wtcactus »

scrollaway wrote: post #156
wtcactus wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m European, you self righteous authoritarian lover.

And? You're linking a US media website, one famous for having its head way up the american exceptionalism hole. Also, didn't you vote to not call yourself European or something-something?

> You're linking a US media website, one famous for having its head way up the american exceptionalism hole.

Oh, I didn’t notice we are already in the censorship phase and we can’t even link Fox News. It’s a factual news (but you are free to contest it) and if Fox is the only one willing to publish it, it says more about European descent into madness than you think.

> Also, didn't you vote to not call yourself European or something-something?

What are you even talking about? You people are insane. You need to be stopped before you destroy us all.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by LightBug1 »

boudin wrote: post #164
miki123211 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Owning your domain just changes your point of failure from Google to your registrar. It is not, in fact, any safer. It's not like registrars haven't randomly shut down people's domains due to accidental (or malicious) abuse reports.

The risk of loosing a domain, especially if used only for email, is lower than losing a google account. Using a gmail.com means that google owns both your emails and your email address and can do whatever they want with it. Even if it's just your google account being locked for some random reason, good luck getting out of the situation and/or getting in touch with a human there. If you can't access your gmail.com add…

Yes, I've started to think about this more seriously now in the UK. I have moderate political opinions, but I now ask myself will they be acceptable now or in the near future by the UK government or where my data is hosted (i.e. the US). Will I suddenly have an email account blocked or closed down for supporting a non-violent cause I believe in?

Horrible times when this has started to become a part of my thought process.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by Foorack »

Foorack wrote: post #170

Am I the only one who doesn't care about E2E encryption, and just want an EU alternative? I DON'T WANT my chats to be "full E2E encrypted" with a 6-digit pin, only for me to loose them when I get a new phone. I DON'T WANT having to use a special gateway instead of normal IMAP to access my Proton mail. It really feels like server-side encryption is being forced down my throat and I don't consent. FB Messenger, X Chat,…

There are 2.5 BILLION Gmail accounts. If people cared about privacy they would have switched to it, irrespective of where it is hosted. We need to focus on making competitive services which are easy-to-use.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by petcat »

utopiah wrote: post #65
cdmckay wrote: post #41

I really wanted to switch to the Proton stack and even tried it for a couple weeks but the search in Proton Mail is so bad I couldn’t use it for even simple things like finding my airline tickets. I had to switch back to Google Workspace. It doesn’t seem like Proton even really cares about the how bad their mail search is and is more focused on releasing new products.

> search in Proton Mail is so bad I couldn’t use it for even simple things like finding my airline tickets. Not sure if it's related but Proton does not hold your unencrypted email body content consequently only you do once you are logged in. Thus you can't have server side search on your email content, only on email title. What you can have though is client side full-text search on body content. For that you have to…

Protons email encryption is mostly snakeoil and marketing. Their guarantees of strict encryption at rest is really only relevant to a certain class of people with a very specific threat model. Everyone else that uses the service is just leaking plain text email with everyone they converse with who uses a service that does not offer the same encryption guarantees.

So basically they sacrifice a usable search function for a security service that isn't relevant to 99% of people and isn't even effective half the time.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by abc123abc123 »

omnimus wrote: post #55
cdmckay wrote: post #41

I really wanted to switch to the Proton stack and even tried it for a couple weeks but the search in Proton Mail is so bad I couldn’t use it for even simple things like finding my airline tickets. I had to switch back to Google Workspace. It doesn’t seem like Proton even really cares about the how bad their mail search is and is more focused on releasing new products.

Proton is ok to meh - great marketing though. Try Infomaniak instead.

I've been a happy infomaniak customer for many years. They only had 1 or 2 outtages that lasted more than 1 day during all this time.

They are on my watch list however. The CEO is pro-surveillance, but was forced to back down due to the outrage of their customers, but he seems to be ethically quite questionable. But for the moment, I think they do a good job, but they should change their CEO to someone who unquestionably is against surveillance.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by theshrike79 »

miki123211 wrote: post #127
whazor wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should all have e-mail backups regardless of which service we are on. Even Google shuts down accounts randomly. Owning your domain and having e-mail backups makes it easy to switch e-mail services.

Owning your domain just changes your point of failure from Google to your registrar. It is not, in fact, any safer. It's not like registrars haven't randomly shut down people's domains due to accidental (or malicious) abuse reports.

Your registrar won't use automated tools to suddenly close your account. They have no reason to look at anything you're doing and most likely won't care as long as you pay your bills and they can pay theirs.

Google knows what you watch and post on Youtube, your emails, your google drive contents, your photos, contacts and everything. Any bit of that can trigger an automated ban for your account you can't recover from unless you know a Googler personally or can get through to their only working customer service outlet: the front page of HN.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by kuerbel »

drcongo wrote: post #163
omnimus wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Infomanikak “kSuite bussiness” plan 79eur year. 5 email adresses. 3TB drive (their kDrive is legit better than google drive). WebDav/CardDav/CalDav. Their kMeet conferencing is solid. Recently they got some Euria AI - i havent tried it i bet it's bad. Rest though i really like.

I really want to get my entire company out of Google and into Infomaniak but persuading anyone to use their docs suite is going to be impossible, it's awful.

Maybe nextcloud workspace, perhaps with Onlyoffice plug in? Iirc you can get managed nextcloud from ionos

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by kertoip_1 »

illiac786 wrote: post #171
littlecranky67 wrote: post #118

Just migrated away my personal email (with custom domains) from Microsoft 365 to Proton, and boy, it is such a better experience. M365 has become an intangible mess of a multitude of different admin dashboards redirecting you around and complicating things beyond comprehension. For the migration, I wanted to backup my entire email backlog. It took me two hours to finally get it connected to thunderbard via IMAP and d…

I agree with everything, just want to add a downside of proton which is often forgotten: there is no search. You cannot search your emails’ body (headers work, but keywords like “from:” still do not work for search), you cannot search the content of your files, etc. It’s the price of end-to-end encryption. The only workaround is synchronising everything locally and searching locally.

But you still can use Thunderbird for that. I recommend it no matter what mail provider is used. Web interfaces are so heavy nowadays, compared to that, Thunderbird feels so fast.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by mgaunard »

Herring wrote: post #26
mgaunard wrote: post #6

I Spend 0. I don't understand why anyone would need most of these services.

Try reading more books, eg autobiographies or fiction. Understanding other people’s perspectives is a skill like any other.

Trying to understand everyone is a foolish endeavor, if not outwardly judgemental.

What's more valuable is simply accepting that there are others who are different.

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