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Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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The root cause of the problem is that parents and children need to raise funds for cancer treatment in the first place.

The fact that families have to crowdfund lifesaving care creates the vulnerability but it doesn't force anyone to build an industrialized scam on top of it

    Local man embezzles $20,000 meant to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

#172
post #111

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With Universal Health Insurance as all other developed countries do

Expensive health treatments can easily bankrupt any western government. None of those developed countries can afford to spend their money indiscriminately on them. So instead they turn to waiting lists, death panels and very often saying no but not in your face (since that is politically frowned upon) but thought delays and countless committees and bureaucracy until the patient expires...

> but thought delays and countless committees and bureaucracy until the patient expires...

So then you would expect life expectancy in the US to be higher than in Germany, France, UK?

It is not.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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post #145

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The vast majority of fraud have noting to do with Israel wage theft is enormous everywhere and have nothing to do with Israel, the biggest fraudsters in history (mostly scams on USA investors like Theranos and 2008 crisis) according to quick Google have nothing to do with Israel. The obvious attempts to mafacture a negative image couldn't be more obvious.

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"the middle ages," What does that mean because I wasn't taking about any middle age.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

#174
post #9

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I always donate to the random homeless people stopping me on the street. Doesn't really matter to me what they do with it, whatever keeps them warm.

yes contribute to their suicide, smart.

True should just ignore them like reasonable people and let them freeze in winter so the authorities can pick up their bodies and dispose of them. Did you ever buy a friend of yours a wine for birthday? Or did you go to McDonalds with your kids? Congrats you contributed to their suicide.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

#175
post #163

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Germany does help them, it just requires they either apply for work or prove that they are unfit for work. Not the most pleasant thing to do, sure, but no German is forced to beg on the streets.

> no German is forced to beg on the streets. This is such an uneducated and entitled comment just showing how little regular people know about this situation in Germany. Its also one of the most commonly used arguments on this topic and its simply not true. Homeless shelters are overcrowded and extremely unhygienic. Our infrastructure isn't made for an ever-growing amount of homeless people. Law, rights and reality s…

> Homeless shelters are overcrowded and extremely unhygienic.

It's not just the hygiene. it's that in those shelters you're constantly surrounded by a few mentally ill and possibly violent people who will lash out in unpredictable ways and make life worse for everyone with their constant tics and noises making you live in constant anxiety.

If you're homeless but not mentally ill yet, then being in such an environment everyday will definitely negatively affect your sanity as your daily struggle becomes surviving the shelter, instead of working to getting back on your feet. Kind of like being locked up in a prison but from which you can leave.

So then no wonder a lot of homeless people feel safer and less stressed just living and sleeping in public areas than in shelters.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

#176
post #104

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Any system needs a resource allocation algorithm. In capitalism it is easy and transparent: price, with the side effect of aligning society interests with those of the selfish individual. Of course the strange and heavily regulated US health-care system is obviously far far away from a free market. In socialism it's much more random: black markets, lists, lotteries, friends and network of connections. The side effect…

That's the difference between a corrupt and non-corrupt system rather than a capitalist vs socialist one. Nearly all European countries have an at least somewhat socialist healthcare system but in most you don't have to resort to those tactics.

Humans have tendency to become corrupt

the market / capitalism won’t correct itself, much people want to call it God/ perfect

Regulation, anti-trust laws try to correct somethings but many politicians are against those things because they limit the profit that can be made, profit first, that’s the corruption

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

#177
post #41

The root cause of the problem is that parents and children need to raise funds for cancer treatment in the first place.

We have over the years raised billions (maybe trillions) for cancer treatments and we seem to have made negligible progress in actually curing cancer. Will it ever succeed? So maybe there is a root cause for your root cause?

Untold trillions have been spent fighting wars and yet the cause of war hasn't been solved.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Really makes me think that the justice system should have a wide margin for discretionary sentencing. I get that in some sense fraud is fraud, but there is one thing preying on people's greed, and another preying on compassion, charity and vulnerable children in desperate need. Scams based on greed (or other vices) are in some sense limited crimes, since their success punishes what is low, but scams based on what is…

Then again, maybe we should keep ethics and morals away from law and sentencing, and concentrate on harm and intent. Laws can be based on ethics, but moral judgments really should not be involved in their application. Unless you want to live in a theocracy, of course.

The argument is that scams based on exploiting goodness causes a lot more harm compared to the ones based on exploiting greed. Because it trains people that doing good deeds is not worth it (they might be scammed.) And even if the rate of such scams are low, just reading about them makes people afraid of potential consequences of doing good deeds. So I absolutely agree that such scams should have very harsh punishments, because they do not only have immediate consequences, but they degrade trust in our society.

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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We have over the years raised billions (maybe trillions) for cancer treatments and we seem to have made negligible progress in actually curing cancer. Will it ever succeed? So maybe there is a root cause for your root cause?

Untold trillions have been spent fighting wars and yet the cause of war hasn't been solved.

Imagine if those trillions would be spent on research and healthcare

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Some people seem to exist in a bubble where they believe that nothing bad will ever happen to them or their loved ones, so paying to improve society has no benefit to themselves.

Even if you never personally needed health insurance (which is unrealistic), you’d still benefit from a better, safer, less cut throat society. Same with education. I am more than happy to pay taxes for an education system, even if I do not personally have children.

What's 'paid' to the median child in education is a pittance compared to what the payers suck back out of them in old age during social security.

Public education is largely a scam to put 'original sin' of debt of children to society so when they grow up there is some plausible explanation that "we're a society" and they must feed into the pyramid scheme.

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