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Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by gpderetta »

pedro_caetano wrote: post #155
Angostura wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I image they will be much sought-after, unless you are suggesting they are being bricked

Even if they don't brick them explicitly they will no longer provide security updates for them. I'm on the same boat, smart TV has never been online, all content is just cast from media server/phone/tablet straight to chromecast. It works, no fuss, glitch free, and of course they will kill it.

Even if they were to provide security updates, a few platforms no longer work with them. At the very least, now Disney+ refuses to stream to my original chromecast dongle.

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Post by szszrk »

everdrive wrote: post #163

My decision never to buy a smart TV just keeps paying off.

Can you buy a generic TV nowadays?

All that I have available in typical stores are smart TVs. The rest is some display panels meant for commercial installations (like big ad screens, multiple, working as one), which are only available online at a premium price.

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Post by gspr »

monai wrote: post #149
gspr wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My rule for modern TVs: > 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. A sensible rule, indeed. Next level of dystopia: cellular modems becoming so cheap that every TV, fridge and washing machine comes with one that connects it to the Internet whether you like it or not. And then when we Faraday cage those, the device refuses to function. Laws need to…

> Next level of dystopia: cellular modems becoming so cheap that every TV, fridge and washing machine comes with one that connects it to the Internet whether you like it or not. That's already a reality with cars in Europe.

I also don't like this precedent, but I do still feel cars are quite different. You need a license to drive a car on public roads. The car needs lots of certifications. You need an insurance. You need to prominently display your (your car's) ID for all to see. If you make mistakes while operating a car, the police can stop you and the state can take away your right to drive a car.

This makes it all very different from a gadget you use for entertainment in your own home.

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Post by sgloutnikov »

mr_mitm wrote: post #158
kburman wrote: post #127

My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

What do you think of Nvidia Shield? I haven't tried it, but I think it should also belong to 2). It's clearly much more expensive than a FireTV, but as you say it shouldn't be subsidized by ads. As an Android device it should be more open than an Apple TV. While I recognize the near flawless UI and high hardware quality of most Apple devices, I disagree with their "golden cage" or walled garden approach.

The Shield Pro is perfect for me and I have no reason to upgrade. Have mine downgraded and de-bloated using this guide [0] running a custom launcher. Like you said being Android and more open helps a lot.

[0] https://florisse.nl/shield-debloat/

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Post by tech2 »

everdrive wrote: post #163

My decision never to buy a smart TV just keeps paying off.

I tried to do that, really did, but my TV was circa 2006 and I needed a replacement. None of the options in my region are good, there's no Scepter equivalent unless you pay 3x as much for something akin to a commercial display. So, air-gapping it is!

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Post by Lio »

nerdponx wrote: post #17
bobbybarnaclebb wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don’t care. The customer service era is over.

It doesn't matter if consumers don't like it if everyone does it. The only choice remaining then is to put up with it or not have a TV at all.

It's a creepy tech cartel.

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Post by walthamstow »

mr_mitm wrote: post #158
kburman wrote: post #127

My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

What do you think of Nvidia Shield? I haven't tried it, but I think it should also belong to 2). It's clearly much more expensive than a FireTV, but as you say it shouldn't be subsidized by ads. As an Android device it should be more open than an Apple TV. While I recognize the near flawless UI and high hardware quality of most Apple devices, I disagree with their "golden cage" or walled garden approach.

I've had the same Shield for about 8 years and it's still going strong, has all the hardware decoding I need

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Post by savolai »

sgloutnikov wrote: post #174
mr_mitm wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think of Nvidia Shield? I haven't tried it, but I think it should also belong to 2). It's clearly much more expensive than a FireTV, but as you say it shouldn't be subsidized by ads. As an Android device it should be more open than an Apple TV. While I recognize the near flawless UI and high hardware quality of most Apple devices, I disagree with their "golden cage" or walled garden approach.

The Shield Pro is perfect for me and I have no reason to upgrade. Have mine downgraded and de-bloated using this guide [0] running a custom launcher. Like you said being Android and more open helps a lot. [0] https://florisse.nl/shield-debloat/

Wow, forced ai translation based on.. ip? System lang?

Re: Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by everdrive »

szszrk wrote: post #172
everdrive wrote: post #163

My decision never to buy a smart TV just keeps paying off.

Can you buy a generic TV nowadays? All that I have available in typical stores are smart TVs. The rest is some display panels meant for commercial installations (like big ad screens, multiple, working as one), which are only available online at a premium price.

Yes, but they can be a bit tricky to find. You can find them used. You can use a computer monitor.

Ultimately, I'm planning for a world where the technological decline continues (ie, technology continues to be something which its users do not own or control) and things like adblock just don't work anymore. When that finally happens, I'm honestly going to be watching DVDs, VHS, reading books, etc. This is a game of cat and mouse and if I'm pushed far enough I'm just going to check out of the system completely. TV is not so valuable that I'm going to let some sleazy company push me around.

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Post by port11 »

pabs3 wrote: post #44

I wonder if it is possible to install a standard Linux distro on LG TVs. There is KDE Plasma Bigscreen for a TV-like experience on such distros. https://plasma-bigscreen.org/ If not, there are some webOS exploits on this wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/Exploits Hopefully the Vizio lawsuit will mean the right to repair software comes to TVs more easily. https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html

Click ‘Install’ on Plasma Bigscreen page -> oops, here's a notice that you can't use it. What's the point? Why not at least suggest instructions for a dev/testing/at-your-own-risk build?
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