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Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by chroma205 »

abright wrote: post #114
oceanplexian wrote: post #81

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Why then, outside of Norway, Luxembourg, Switzerland, and the UAE (All of which are tiny countries, and at least two of them are Petrostates), does the United States have the world's highest median income with a population of over 342 million people? The typical American is insanely wealthy by global standards.

Sure, the USA is in the top five in terms of median income. They are also tied for first for having the highest cost of living. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cost-of-l...

> They are also tied for first for having the highest cost of living.

Who cares?

Absolute savings rate and net worth are what matter.

Any European will gladly live in America for US$1 million/year income even if the cost of living is US$300k/year.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by Gud »

hcurtiss wrote: post #141
drivingmenuts wrote: post #107

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Maybe it should be. The system here in the US has produced some great innovations at the cost of great misery among the non-wealthy. At a time when technology promises an easier life, it only seems to benefit the wealthy, while trying to discard everyone else. The light at the end of the tunnel is a 1%-er about to laughingly crush you beneath their wheels.

I don’t know about that. The poor from just about every other country in the world seem desperate to live in America. While American capitalism has many faults, oppressing the bottom quintile is not one of them. The US median income is consistently top ten globally.

This is completely wrong. Even “the poor” in most parts of the world has a pretty good life weight where they are.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hVimVzgtD6w&pp=ygUMSGFucyByb3N...

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by hvb2 »

roenxi wrote: post #60
rubyfan wrote: post #34

Is it me or does this seem like naked corruption at its worst? These tech CEOs hang out at the White House and donate to superfluous causes and suddenly the executive is protecting their interests. This does nothing to protect working US citizens from AI alien (agents) coming to take their jobs and displace their incomes.

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> We aren't going to make the next big leap in lifestyles without doing the same thing to a lot more jobs.

Which planet is going to sustain that? More productivity doesn't add any resources to sustain your lifecycle.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by XenophileJKO »

rubyfan wrote: post #125
oceanplexian wrote: post #79

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> This does nothing to protect working US citizens from AI alien (agents) coming to take their jobs and displace their incomes. Where did you get the idea that banning new technology that could eliminate jobs is even remotely an American value? Going back to the Industrial Revolution the United States has been 100% gas pedal all the time on innovation and disruption, which has in turn created millions of jobs that di…

We regulate medicine, nuclear technology, television, movies, monopolies, energy, financial services, etc. because these things can be harmful if left solely to the market. Americans value honest work, dignity, prosperity and equal opportunity. Innovation is useful in so far as it enables our values - regulation is not counter to Americans interests, it protects them.

I feel like anyone making this argument hasn't studied how those regulations happened.

They ALL happened AFTER people got hurt. That's how we do things here. We always have.

It's kind of messed up, but the alternative is a bunch of rules on things that wouldn't be a real problem.

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Post by forgetfreeman »

oceanplexian wrote: post #81
TrainedMonkey wrote: post #74

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> we need a hyper-productive world where someone working a few hours a year generates enough wealth to secure a comfortable lifestyle up there with the best of them. This is naive, productivity increases had decoupled from compensation a long time ago. See https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/ for example. AI certainly can create wealth, and in fact already did (hey NVDA), but somehow that did not trickle down. I…

Why then, outside of Norway, Luxembourg, Switzerland, and the UAE (All of which are tiny countries, and at least two of them are Petrostates), does the United States have the world's highest median income with a population of over 342 million people? The typical American is insanely wealthy by global standards.

Insanely wealthy when your comparison includes tin pot dictatorships, theocracies, and ex-soviet countries that still haven't gotten their shit together. Weird how that unimaginable wealth doesn't translate into financial security, access to high quality healthcare, or the ability to own a home.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by forgetfreeman »

chroma205 wrote: post #171
abright wrote: post #114

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Sure, the USA is in the top five in terms of median income. They are also tied for first for having the highest cost of living. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cost-of-l...

> They are also tied for first for having the highest cost of living. Who cares? Absolute savings rate and net worth are what matter. Any European will gladly live in America for US$1 million/year income even if the cost of living is US$300k/year.

Who the fuck do you know that makes a million dollars a year? The majority of Americans barely clear that bar over their entire career.

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by forgetfreeman »

hcurtiss wrote: post #142
N_Lens wrote: post #106

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Wealth inequality is worse now than the era of robber barons & gilded age.

Who cares? If higher wealth inequality produces a higher standard of living for the majority (note, median not mean), I’m all for it. Policy should not be driven by envy.

It isn't, so now what?

Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by eggsandbeer »

andsoitis wrote: post #130
rubyfan wrote: post #125

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We regulate medicine, nuclear technology, television, movies, monopolies, energy, financial services, etc. because these things can be harmful if left solely to the market. Americans value honest work, dignity, prosperity and equal opportunity. Innovation is useful in so far as it enables our values - regulation is not counter to Americans interests, it protects them.

> We regulate medicine, nuclear technology, television, movies, monopolies, energy, financial services, etc. Many of those regulations at the federal level, yes?

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Re: Ensuring a National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence

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Post by ETH_start »

hvb2 wrote: post #169
ETH_start wrote: post #124

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> Higher productivity is also why jobs pay so much more in the U.S. than the E.U. You mean the top tier jobs or the bottom 90%? They pay so much more because the US is very ok with big income inequality. Those unions represent a much bigger share of the population, so shouldn't they have more away in a democratic system (where demos is people)

Median income and the purchasing power of disposable income are substantially higher in the U.S.

The public sector unions do represent a much larger share of the population than the CEOs but in absolute terms public sector workers constitute a very small share of the population, while receiving a large share of public spending. Given they are being rewarded with huge amounts of tax dollars from the party they help keep/put in power, the concern that there's a systemic pay-to-play dynamic at work is very justified.

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