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Is there some Open Source™ council I am unaware of that bequeaths the open source moniker on certain licenses?
Yes, literally: https://opensource.org/licenses
Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI
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Re: Mistral releases Devstral2 and Mistral Vibe CLI
#172This is great! I just made an AUR package for it: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mistral-vibe
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I wrote about that possibility here: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Nov/13/training-for-pelicans-...
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Whatever you think Jimmc414's _concerns_ are (they merely state a possibility) Simon enumerates a number of concerns in the linked article, and then addresses those. So I'm not sure why you think this is so.
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No this is comparable to Deepseek-v3.2 even on their highlight task, with significantly worse general ability. And it's priced 5x of that.
It's open source; the price is up to the provider, and I do not see any on openrouter yet. ̶G̶i̶v̶e̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶d̶e̶v̶s̶t̶r̶a̶l̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶m̶u̶c̶h̶ ̶s̶m̶a̶l̶l̶e̶r̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶i̶m̶a̶g̶i̶n̶e̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶e̶x̶p̶e̶n̶s̶i̶v̶e̶,̶ ̶l̶e̶t̶ ̶a̶l̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶5̶x̶.̶ ̶I̶f̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶D̶e̶e̶p̶S̶e̶e̶k̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶5̶x̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶s̶t̶.̶ edit: Mea culpa. I missed the active vs dense differe…
> Given that devstral is much smaller, I can not imagine it will be more expensive
Devstral 2 is 123B dense. Deepseek is 37B Active. It will be slower and more expensive to run inference on this than dsv3. Especially considering that dsv3.2 has some goodies that make inference at higher context be more effective than their previous gen.
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I dunno. Even pretty weak models can be decently performant, and 9/10 the performance for 1/10 the price means 10x the output, and for a lot of stuff that quality difference dosent really matter. Considering even sota models are trash, slightly worse dosent really make that much difference.
> SOTA models are "trash" > this model is worse (but cheaper) > use it to output 10x the amount of trashier trash You've lost me.
Fair. Mostly the argument is, if all you need is to iterate on output to refine it, you get 10x the iterations, while lesser quality, its still a aspect to consider. But yes, why bother eine coding when they do make so many mistakes.
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but can it recreate the spacejam 1996 website? https://www.spacejam.com/1996/jam.html
That is not a meaningful metric given that we don't live in 1996 and neither do our web standards.
> neither do our web standards
I'd be curious about that actually, feel like W3C specifications (I don't mean browser support of them) rarely deprecate and precisely try to keep the Web running.
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#177offtopic but it hurts my eyes: I dislike for their font choice and their "cool looks" in their graphics. Surprising and good is only: Everything including graphics fixed when clicking my "speedreader" button in Brave. So they are doing that "cool look" by CSS.
Yeah, it's a bit gimicky. You can hit `esc` and it will revert to the normal page design.
There's a scan lines affect they apply to everything that's "cool", but gets old after a minute.
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Condescending and disrespectful to whom? Everybody wholsale? This doesnt seem reasonable? Please elaborate.
Not sure if I'd use the same descriptions so pointedly, but I can see what they mean.
It's perfectly fine to link for convenience, but it does feel a little disrespectful/SEO-y to not 'continue the conversation'. A summary in the very least, how exactly it pertains. Sell us.
In a sense, link-dropping [alone] is saying: "go read this and establish my rhetorical/social position, I'm done here"
Imagine meeting an author/producer/whatever you liked. You'd want to talk about their work, how they created it, the impact it had, and so on. Now imagine if they did that... or if they waved their hand vaguely at a catalog.
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That's fine, but I don't think you should call it open source or call it MIT or even 'modified MIT.' Call it Mistral license or something along those lines
You're presently illustrating exactly why Stallman et al were such sticklers about "Free Software." "Open Source" is nebulous. It reasonably works here, for better or worse.
>"Open Source" is nebulous
No it isn't it is well defined. The only people who find it "nebulous" are people who want the benefits without upholding the obligations.
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#180Look interesting, eager to play around with it! Devstral was a neat model when it released and one of the better ones to run locally for agentic coding. Nowadays I mostly use GPT-OSS-120b for this, so gonna be interesting to see if Devstral 2 can replace it. I'm a bit saddened by the name of the CLI tool, which to me implies the intended usage. "Vibe-coding" is a fun exercise to realize where models go wrong, but for…
> run locally for agentic coding. Nowadays I mostly use GPT-OSS-120b for this What kind of hardware do you have to be able to run a performant GPT-OSS-120b locally?
Mbp 128gb.