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Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by szopin »

stiray wrote: post #161
mariusor wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I'm aware there's a Patchmanager patch for enabling bluetooth in the Android subsystem. But I don't really understand your vehemence against me, or them for that matter.

I am on Graphene OS now and they will really need to think of something revolutionary to get me back. No, nice GUI is not enough for all the years I have lost, desperately trying to adapt. Now, think of the normal, everyday user, not prepared to even buy a specific phone release for Sailfish. And this is how they will lose users. I consider this as constructive criticism from my side. Believe me, I am in front row, f…

The revolutionary part is full linux with root a checkbox in the settings, no need to flash fishy roms, compile graphene yourself etc, it is mostly aimed for linux geeks who like to tinker, if you're fine with android, it's probably not for you (no matter how much they push for it being usable by normal users, there's always fixes/tweaks/workarounds that you'll need to use terminal for, or wait for proper fix, but again full root access is a checkbox in settings that will install terminal for you, for geeks it's the best option out there)

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by stackedinserter »

Nifty3929 wrote: post #122
stackedinserter wrote: post #27

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If it catches traction, there will be usb-connected phone cases that expose these switches to physical controls.

I do not really understand what you mean by this. Can you elaborate or clarify what you mean?

I mean since it's linux phone with (hopefully) open architecture, it should be possible to create an external usb device that exposes any functionality.

Like, to keep core functionality simple and open it for extensions ("extra battery", "knobs and switches", "ethernet" etc)

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by stackedinserter »

jeffbee wrote: post #71
stackedinserter wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it catches traction, there will be usb-connected phone cases that expose these switches to physical controls.

I don't think that's what anyone means by "physical controls" and if they do, then they don't know what they are talking about.

"Physical controls" are those that you can physically sense. My point was everyone needs different things, so it's possible to keep core functionality simple and let users add what they need, via extensions. Like dongle hell but better.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by szopin »

0rzech wrote: post #159
mariusor wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sailfish OS is better than GrapheneOS through virtue of being mostly a vanilla linux distribution with Android being just an optional bad dream.

GrapheneOS' main selling point is security. Is Sailfish OS better at that, or at least in the same league, nowadays?

It's in a different league as it's a linux phone first and foremost, not degoogled/hardened android, you get full root access as a checkbox in settings that will install terminal app for you to hack to your heart's content, user having root access is not an attack vector for them

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by stiray »

szopin wrote: post #171
stiray wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am on Graphene OS now and they will really need to think of something revolutionary to get me back. No, nice GUI is not enough for all the years I have lost, desperately trying to adapt. Now, think of the normal, everyday user, not prepared to even buy a specific phone release for Sailfish. And this is how they will lose users. I consider this as constructive criticism from my side. Believe me, I am in front row, f…

The revolutionary part is full linux with root a checkbox in the settings, no need to flash fishy roms, compile graphene yourself etc, it is mostly aimed for linux geeks who like to tinker, if you're fine with android, it's probably not for you (no matter how much they push for it being usable by normal users, there's always fixes/tweaks/workarounds that you'll need to use terminal for, or wait for proper fix, but ag…

Sure, I am not complaining about that. Again, Sailfish OS is great (!!!!!), no doubt about it. Unfortunately, I need a daily driver instead of carrying 2 phones with me.

Once Jolla will understand that, I am prepared to get back. Until they don't, they will need to find users elsewhere. I can ditch a lot of bloat from my life, but unfortunately, ability to use public transport is not one of them.

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Post by sombragris »

dyingkneepad wrote: post #143
cluckindan wrote: post #124

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”I hate Whatsapp, but it's not optional” Yes it is.

While WhatsApp is not very much used in the US, in some other countries such as Brazil it is basically the primary form of "phone" communication. It is everyone's default text, voice and video message platform. People don't ask if you have WhatsApp there, they just assume it. You talk to your Bank/Investor manager using WhatsApp. You order pizza through WhatsApp. Customer Support for services is WhatsApp bots that se…

This. Some people just don't realize how pervasive and essential WhatsApp is in some countries, mine included.

I'd much rather use Signal but that's not realistic.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by rckt »

getpokedagain wrote: post #46
rckt wrote: post #17

It would be great if all these companies contributed to a some kind of a unified modular platform like Project ARA. I see a lot of new devices, but they all do their own stuff. They produce hardware for their software, the end result is the same as with big brands. Most of these devices are usable while they are supported by these companies. Some of them allow installing custom Android roms, but not many. Looks like…

Am I the only one who just feels burnt out on these type of projects? We have a plethora of raspberry pi and other arm mobile developer kits that all just fail to deliver. They make great pet projects but fail at what most mobile phones do great which is provide a computer I can reliably and safely take with me in life. This pilet thing has 7 hours of battery life, is huge and will probably explode if I put it in my…

Graphene requires a Pixel device. I can hardly call it accessible.

7 hours is not bad, considering my iPhone 13 mini can only last for day with occasional usage.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by struanr »

butz wrote: post #178

Is there some secret competition going on between phone makers, who can make the most obnoxious camera bump and get away with it?

Is a camera bump really that much of an issue? Most people have a case on their phone anyway

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by szopin »

parasitid wrote: post #7

it's based on a proprietary os, which includes halium proprietary blobs. imho, linux users should focus on phones well supported by postmarketos

Libhybris not halium, and those are open, the android driver blobs are closed and it's the same on pmOS with halium? They did start open sourcing a lot of their UI components recently, so hopefully this continues, we'll see
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