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Gundam is just the same as Jane Austen but happens to include giant mech suits

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Re: Gundam is just the same as Jane Austen but happens to include giant mech suits

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> A friend recently asked how to get started watching Gundam So what is good order to watch Gundam in 2025? What should be skipped? Are mangas/novels worth it or is it better just to watch anime?

The original 0079 and then on (Zeta, ZZ, CCA) is the strongest and best way to understand Gundam, its themes, and its legacy. I'd also argue that Unicorn is a strong entry and puts a nice cap on that era of UC but typically people don't group it with the original 4.

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post #63

Love the lore in gundam, usually ends in sadness but yeah Watched almost all of them except igloo/build fighter type Hathaway had a great fight sequence where you felt the scale of Gundam and the violence/heat the soundfx tooo ahhhh https://youtu.be/oiiIkSuiios?si=ylHdAqVnE2pPeSKv&t=202 Thunderbolt has great graphics too and the jazz And unicorn the bell pepper gundam

Hathaway honestly blew me away the first time I saw it. One of the few movies I've watched 3-4 times now. It's exactly like you say, you can really _feel_ the weight and scale of mobile suits. It's honestly a fantastic start to this new era of UC.

Also lol @ kshatriya being called bell pepper. It's probably my favorite non-gundam mobile suit. I wish they'd make an MG kit for it despite how massive it is.

Re: Gundam is just the same as Jane Austen but happens to include giant mech suits

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When reading Jane Austen you learn a fair bit about the English upper classes of that time period. What do you learn from Gundam?

Learning stuff is a weird primary motivator to read fiction. (I’m not sure you learn as much as you think; I mean some context leaks through but Austin’s characters aren’t necessarily _that_ archetypical. If you want that you might be better with a social history.)

Sometimes it’s the fiction itself along with other commentary that helps you understand the historical background. There’s plenty written about Jane Austen’s novels.

Also, Austen was definitely commenting on society of that time, though sometimes you need other background knowledge to get the reference.

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post #6

In the end, almost everything has a soap opera in it somewhere. People have a hard time processing stories that don't have a soap opera in them somewhere. For some people it's just impossible. There's really only a minority of people who are interested in stories that have no personal relationship stories in them at all. That's not to say that the parts that aren't soap opera aren't meaningfully different. I disagree…

Thats always my justification for not caring about football at all. I don't know any of the characters and I missed the first 20 episodes.

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When reading Jane Austen you learn a fair bit about the English upper classes of that time period. What do you learn from Gundam?

You learn a lot about post-War Japan and the New Left. Just because a writer dresses their story up in futuristic or fantastical trappings does not mean that they aren't writing about their own cultural milieu. Tomino is explicit about this in the interviews compiled for the supplementary material in the Gundam Origin manga. They are a fantastic read (and the manga is a masterpiece).

Interesting. Do you know any good articles online that talk about this history?

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When reading Jane Austen you learn a fair bit about the English upper classes of that time period. What do you learn from Gundam?

You learn a lot about post-War Japan and the New Left. Just because a writer dresses their story up in futuristic or fantastical trappings does not mean that they aren't writing about their own cultural milieu. Tomino is explicit about this in the interviews compiled for the supplementary material in the Gundam Origin manga. They are a fantastic read (and the manga is a masterpiece).

Interesting. It is a shame that you can't really experience art correctly unless you have the context of living in that time & place. I will never experience Anime, Russian literature, early English literature, etc. fully because my lens is always gonna be an American in the 2000s.

I am curious how people 100 years from now will perceive art from the last 20 years, much of it feels like a thinly veiled commentary on whatever hot button social issue was prevalent at the time.

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post #84

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I think a lot of character-centered conflicts boil down to the same set of problems, regardless of the setting. For instance, you often see "keep the status quo and die a slow death" vs "expensive, risky gamble". Sometimes the setting is a small midwest town, sometimes it's a spaceship on the way to Beta Virginis. Sometimes the solution is actually unique to the setting but often it's just "find a compromise, prevent…

The Expanse (both a recently completed book series and a cancelled yet mostly complete TV adaptation) is pretty good at this; it sets up a world with complex political dynamics, and lets things mostly evolve as a result of those dynamics, with the main characters largely just along for the ride. It takes the science parts super seriously too: ships have to worry about acceleration and debris fields during battle, com…

The Expanse has been called, "The closest thing that we're going to get to a live-action Gundam series," in the past. And it's certainly better in a lot of ways. You do have to thank Gundam (and Alien) for dragging us out of the John Carter Valley (which OG Star Trek certainly fell into quite often).

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I have two words for you: Quattro Bajeena.

lmao i was waiting for someone to bring it up. Also don't forget Jamitov Hymen.

Jamaican Daninghan. Not to be confused with Cuban Pete. And please do not forget that 'Kamille' is a man's name.

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"It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a robot suit to ride around and fight things with." I was visiting Jane Austen's House Museum last year and it always gives me pleasure to see how wildly popular her work remains. There always seem to be tourists there visiting from all over the world. That is really heartening. She was very innovative. Maybe…

I recall this from one of Donald Westlake's books: "He stopped on a dime and collected 5 cents change."

That sounds like a line Raymond Chandler would have used. His turn of phrase is also delightful.
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