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Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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somebody said once we are mining "low-background tokens" like we are mining low-background (radiation) steel post WW2 and i couldnt shake the concept out of my head (wrote up in https://www.latent.space/i/139368545/the-concept-of-low-back... - but ironically repeating something somebody else said online is kinda what i'm willingly participating in, and it's unclear why human-origin tokens should be that much higher s…

Since synthetic data for training is pretty ubiquitous seems like a novelty

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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> This is a search tool that will only return content created before ChatGPT's first public release on November 30, 2022. The problem is that Google's search engine - but, oddly enough, ALL search engines - got worse before that already. I noticed that search engines got worse several years before 2022. So, AI further decreased the quality, but the quality had a downwards trend already, as it was. There are some atte…

> if I search on Google search for specific terms, I am not interested in crap such as "others also searched for xyz" - that is just ruining the UI with irrelevant information You assume the aim here is for you to find relevant information, not increase user retention time. (I just love the corporate speak for making people's lives worse in various ways.)

You finding relevant information used to be the aim. Enshittification started when they let go of that aim.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Be aware of: https://www.reddit.com/r/SearchKagi/comments/1gvlqhm/disappo...

Yandex has the best image search, and others are years behind it. Further more Nebius has sold all group’s businesses in Russia and certain international market. They are completely divested from Russia for a 1.5 years already: https://nebius.com/newsroom/ynv-announces-successful-complet... The post you linked was posted when the divestment was already going underway, so it is at least dishonest if not malicious.

I wouldn’t trust a divorce where one party still provides for the other.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

#174

> This is a search tool that will only return content created before ChatGPT's first public release on November 30, 2022. The problem is that Google's search engine - but, oddly enough, ALL search engines - got worse before that already. I noticed that search engines got worse several years before 2022. So, AI further decreased the quality, but the quality had a downwards trend already, as it was. There are some atte…

> Google made the search results worse here Did you mean: worse results near me are worse results worth it worse results net worth best worse results worse results reddit

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Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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> This is a search tool that will only return content created before ChatGPT's first public release on November 30, 2022. The problem is that Google's search engine - but, oddly enough, ALL search engines - got worse before that already. I noticed that search engines got worse several years before 2022. So, AI further decreased the quality, but the quality had a downwards trend already, as it was. There are some atte…

> Google made the search results worse here Did you mean: worse results near me are worse results worth it worse results net worth best worse results worse results reddit

search: Emacs

  Did you mean vim ?

  (vice-versa)

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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google results were already 90% SEO crap long before ChatGPT just use Kagi and block all SEO sites...

How do we (or Kagi) know which ones are "SEO sites"? Is there some filter list or other method to determine that?

If you took Google of 2006, and used that iteration of the pagerank algorithm, you’d probably not get most of the SEO spam that’s so prevalent in Google results today.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be aware of: https://www.reddit.com/r/SearchKagi/comments/1gvlqhm/disappo...

Yandex has the best image search, and others are years behind it. Further more Nebius has sold all group’s businesses in Russia and certain international market. They are completely divested from Russia for a 1.5 years already: https://nebius.com/newsroom/ynv-announces-successful-complet... The post you linked was posted when the divestment was already going underway, so it is at least dishonest if not malicious.

Yandex is the government approved search engine in Russia, which is impossible without the state exerting control over it. I wouldn't pay much attention to divestment, it's not how any of that works.

For instance here you can learn that Yandex NV is fully controlled by a group of Russian investors: https://www.rbc.ru/business/06/03/2024/65e7a0f29a7947609ea39...

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is also the fact that automatically generated content predates ChatGPT by a lot. By around 2020 most Google searches already returned lots of SEO-optimized pages made from scrapped content or keyword soups made by rudimentary language models or markov chains.

Well there's also the fact that GPT-3 API was released in June 2020 and its writing capabilities were essentially on par with ChatGPT initial release. It was just a bit harder to use, because it wasn't yet trained to follow instructions, it only worked as a very good "autocomplete" model, so prompting was a bit "different" and you couldn't do stuff like "rewrite this existing article in your own words" at all, but if…

I didn't remember that, but it would explain the spam exponential grow back then.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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google results were already 90% SEO crap long before ChatGPT just use Kagi and block all SEO sites...

How do we (or Kagi) know which ones are "SEO sites"? Is there some filter list or other method to determine that?

It seems like a mixture of heuristics, explicit filtering and user reports.

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/slopstop.html

That's specifically for AI generated content, but there are other indicators like how many affiliate links are on the page and how many other users have downvoted the site in their results. The other aspect is network effect, in that everyone tunes their sites to rank highly on Google. That's presumably less effective on other indices?

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

#180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This issue also exists with (so called) "smart" quotes.

Which, the iOS keyboard “helpfully” uses for you.

Especially when you're sending some quick scratch code in a slack message.
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