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Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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HN commenters flustered, baffled by the words on the screen: “Why would he say it like that? The phrasing is so foreign, it’s like the author wants me to laugh at it. The only way to understand this is to ask a chat bot what I should think the point is”

This is the lamest place to do ragebait. Facebook is probably more fun.

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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It would be deeply ironic if this data center (or similar ones using creative accounting), are among those featured in the TV commercials Meta has been running in expensive national prime time slots in recent weeks. I've seen at least two different commercials each focused entirely on the personal story of a relatable, folksy person living in a small town in a fly-over U.S. state, talking about how the town was decli…

I was sure you were exaggerating. But no! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCVkA1xebrQ It turns out the one in this ad is in Altoona, Iowa. The ad focuses on how it revitalized the community by providing jobs, kind of glossing over how that might be reflected in the massive facility's ~30 car parking lot. And incidentally, that data center currently shows no open positions on Meta's career website, although third-part…

30 sounded low to me, but looking at the sprawling Altoona facility in Google Maps https://maps.app.goo.gl/KGLEpJRFiwVKYob89 satellite photos show 52 parking spaces in use across 11 buildings.

Lots of construction workers in the areas where they're putting up new buildings, though.

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This is hilarious because I was at the Louisiana public utility commission meeting where the argument was basically it’s Meta borrowing the money so they’re good for it.

Please do say more about this!

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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I can't for the life of me figure out who would fund this, other than Saudi oil money or Russian petro-oligarchs, both so they can whitewash or launder their cash. This just makes no sense to me otherwise.

I get what you are saying but this is one of the largest conpanies on the planet asking for what is little more than change for them… it may make just a little sense :)

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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Isn't the point that they intentionally glossed over ("We did not model what would happen if data center demand collapses and Meta cannot secure a new tenant. This scenario was excluded for methodological convenience.") a pretty important one?

If I understand the explanations on HN, the complaint is that Meta is taking on debt, which would normally affect its credit rating, so they're "hiding" the debt in a LLC without materially changing anything. Thus, alleging that Meta is "faking" a higher credit rating than it should have.

However, it looks like this construct might actually protect Meta against the main two risks that might make the datacenter be unprofitable (force majeure like a disaster destroying it, or a collapse of datacenter demand), i.e. keeping the good credit rating may be justified because the construct is actually very different, protecting Meta from risk, even though the article suggests that it's just a fig leaf?

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Is Meta actually obligated to repay the loans or not? That’s how you can decide if this is disingenuous or not. If Meta is obligated to repay the loan and used to synthetic means to get it off the balance sheet that’s a problem. If they have in fact successfully transferred risk to other parties then that’s what deals like this are for. It’s the whole reason the concept of limited liability exists. I am fully willing…

To me it reads like the article intentionally pretends two major risks (force majeure and datacenter demand collapse) don't exist, by quipping that "rating agencies historically treat as theoretical inconveniences rather than recurring features of the physical world" for the former and explicitly saying they ignored it for "methodological convenience" for the latter.

If those have been offloaded to the LLC, wouldn't that be a pretty key difference?

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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It would be deeply ironic if this data center (or similar ones using creative accounting), are among those featured in the TV commercials Meta has been running in expensive national prime time slots in recent weeks. I've seen at least two different commercials each focused entirely on the personal story of a relatable, folksy person living in a small town in a fly-over U.S. state, talking about how the town was decli…

I was sure you were exaggerating. But no! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCVkA1xebrQ It turns out the one in this ad is in Altoona, Iowa. The ad focuses on how it revitalized the community by providing jobs, kind of glossing over how that might be reflected in the massive facility's ~30 car parking lot. And incidentally, that data center currently shows no open positions on Meta's career website, although third-part…

That data center started operation over a decade ago. There's no reason to assume it should have any vacancies currently, nor is there any reason to assume its positions were largely filled by non-locals. And even if a few external folks relocated in some cases, isn't that economically beneficial to the area regardless?

Also given the 24/7/365 nature of data center operation, the number of employees will be larger than the number of parking spots.

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI companies are running the same frauds as multiple, but I think cryptocurrency/FTX is more apt. They're creating artificial demand by trading contract with themselves and using those assets to make it look like they've got more revenues & assets of value.

I assume you have no proof of this, correct?

https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/v2/D5622AQGWzJ28VHg98w/fee...

Re: Credit report shows Meta keeping $27B off its books through advanced geometry

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HN commenters flustered, baffled by the words on the screen: “Why would he say it like that? The phrasing is so foreign, it’s like the author wants me to laugh at it. The only way to understand this is to ask a chat bot what I should think the point is”

This is the lamest place to do ragebait. Facebook is probably more fun.

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