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Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by port11 » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 7:10 PM UTC

general1465 wrote: post #160

HeavyStorm wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they? You mention something that affects politicians negatively much more than affect civilians. Chat control will be negative for _all_ of us, mainly of innocents, while bad actors will switch to other means of communication that evades the law.

Technically you can just setup a political party and then offer membership in the party for a yearly fee like 100EUR - every member will automatically become a politician and thus won't be allowed to be tracked because that's literal exception in the Chat Control. If government will want to track them, it will need to expand tracking to themselves too, which they definitely don't want to do. So now government is not…

If this is true, I'll owe you a beer. Or 50.

But honestly, if it were that simple wouldn't they think of it? Say, "only applies to politicians with a seat in parliament"?

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by general1465 » Mon, Nov 24, 2025, 8:17 AM UTC

port11 wrote: post #171

general1465 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically you can just setup a political party and then offer membership in the party for a yearly fee like 100EUR - every member will automatically become a politician and thus won't be allowed to be tracked because that's literal exception in the Chat Control. If government will want to track them, it will need to expand tracking to themselves too, which they definitely don't want to do. So now government is not…

If this is true, I'll owe you a beer. Or 50. But honestly, if it were that simple wouldn't they think of it? Say, "only applies to politicians with a seat in parliament"?

They did not think it through like usually. Politician will get to the big established party through connections or through wealth. So in their minds, normal pleb can't become a politician without connections or wealth.

And picking up only elected officials would piss of their own party again. Problem is that only fraction of party is elected, so they would be committing a friendly fire again.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by santiagobasulto » Tue, Nov 25, 2025, 9:45 PM UTC

Mawr wrote: post #167

santiagobasulto wrote: post #56

Unrelated, but shows the "slow collapse" of Europe (where I live in). We all know what a big issue Climate Change (and specially warming in Europe) is. So most European politicians go on and on about environment and all that. Well, yesterday, I went to play football at night and finished at around 10PM. I was planning on taking the metro, as any normal European citizen. Much was my surprise when I compared the time a…

That doesn't track at all to me as a European also. You must have hit an edge case with the car app. First time customer discount or something. The cost of a comparable single trip for me would be on the order of 5x more expensive, in favor of public transport. If we take into account monthly tickets, it'd be on the order of 10x. This isn't a fluke either, there is simply no way a single occupancy taxi service could…

A metro ticket for a 1hr trip, yes. For 15 minutes? I doubt it.

Re: Germany: States Pass Porn Filters for Operating Systems

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Post by Mawr » Fri, Nov 28, 2025, 12:57 AM UTC

santiagobasulto wrote: post #173

Mawr wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't track at all to me as a European also. You must have hit an edge case with the car app. First time customer discount or something. The cost of a comparable single trip for me would be on the order of 5x more expensive, in favor of public transport. If we take into account monthly tickets, it'd be on the order of 10x. This isn't a fluke either, there is simply no way a single occupancy taxi service could…

A metro ticket for a 1hr trip, yes. For 15 minutes? I doubt it.

I don't know what you mean. The only way you could ever end up with a cheaper fare with a taxi is the sort of edge case you've hit - a single trip that happened to end up cheaper. And that must be an edge case, since even single trip cost is always lower for mass transit. Travel times and such may be worse of course, but not cost.

Even discounting single trip price, the more trips you make, the better and better mass transit scales. For example, take London - even if you do the brainless act of just tapping your card on every card reader as you go, you can only get charged so much: [1].

But monthly/yearly tickets are really where the cost effectiveness comes in. I was being very generous in my calculations above, I assumed you'd only travel 2x a day, to commute to work. But as soon as you've bought the ticket, all trips during its duration become effectively free, so there's no reason not to use the system as much as practicable.

For example, I've probably made around 40 trips in the last 3 days. That plus all my commuting trips this month puts my cost per trip on the order of pennies per trip. You just can't beat that for cost.

[1]: https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/find-fares/capping