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Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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It's about time to start preparing for global geoengineering. Spraying our atmosphere with stuff that reflects light would buy us time to get emissions under control, and help avoiding the worst scenarios. Best of all, we know it works, thanks to emissions from maritime traffic and the spike in temperature rise after they got cleaner.

Or we could put 3,100 people on house arrest and the major emissions will stop.

Yeah and then we'd face a global economic depression and mass civil unrest since those major emissions are emitted while doing things like distributing goods like food.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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post #159

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The GP felt it is okay to disparage Arab News solely because they are funded by the Saudis, which evidently they don't like. By the same standards, the BBC is literally funded by another state, the UK. Both are state funded media, thus propaganda almost by definition. Remember, propaganda does not have to be false or unreliable. (Although, ironically, BBC right now is in trouble for deceptive portrayal of Trump.) Hac…

You don’t see a difference between a major news outlet from a democratic country which has freedom of speech and an outlet from a religious monarchy which has no notion of free speech or even human rights?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B9tzoGFszog

> But I must make one thing absolutely clear: there can be no question of the BBC ever giving in to government pressure.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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What is the deal with the image of the article ? Mosques are as empty in Iran as churches are empty in the west. Yes the government is tightly coupled with religion, but this image isn’t representative of Iran at all.

Are there any good books which layout out the true state of Iran on the ground today?

https://old.reddit.com/r/NewIran/comments/1oy91ju/the_islami...

Here is a short video to tell you all you need to know about what sort of people are now running Iran, and just what they think of the average captive Iranian over whom they misrule, while you wait for the books.

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post #153

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BBC is UK propaganda and fine; Arabnews is Saudi propaganda and not fine. Who are you to judge?

BBC, literally one of the most reliable news sources in the world is according to you "UK propaganda". Feel free to expand on this

BBC is propaganda coated with a thin paint of respectability.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GP felt it is okay to disparage Arab News solely because they are funded by the Saudis, which evidently they don't like. By the same standards, the BBC is literally funded by another state, the UK. Both are state funded media, thus propaganda almost by definition. Remember, propaganda does not have to be false or unreliable. (Although, ironically, BBC right now is in trouble for deceptive portrayal of Trump.) Hac…

You don’t see a difference between a major news outlet from a democratic country which has freedom of speech and an outlet from a religious monarchy which has no notion of free speech or even human rights?

That's usually not the bar though, many who refuse saudi media due to saudi ownership would be completely okay with al jazeera regardless of qatari ownership, even though both countries have very dubious intentions and government system

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I assume marketing. I’m wondering what will happen when they force the afghan refugees back over the border into Afghanistan since they don’t have the water to give them. Climate change and bad decisions from the last 50 years are starting to bite now. It’ll just get worse. Expect migrations and countries collapsing as millions of people are pushed to migrate for survival.

> bad decisions from the last 50 Some of these "bad decisions" are ignoring the old systems, and ways. The hubris of "modernization" as better. The water systems of old Iran are fascinating, and well covered if you hunt around for the info. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat

Old techniques like Qanats and Shabestans aren't going to help Iranians deal with effluents in the water, or straight-up water misuse by businesses controlled by the Ayatollahs.

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I'd make the case that the resignations are a good thing. It shows a commitment to journalism as a profession.

Sure, one can debate this ad nauseam. I would even concede that on average , BBC is perhaps more reliable than Arab News. However, if your standard is ArabNews not OK because Saudi government funds it, but BBC OK, you might just as well say it in plain English that you simply don't like the opinion of the Saudi government but on board with the UK's (which is a stance that by the way I mostly share, but refuse to prea…

This equation is extremely reductionist in ways that end up giving the Saudi government's stance as much merit as possible, while denying it to the UK every step of the way. The implication of what you're saying is that the structure of the government and the precise way in which it owns a state media outlet doesn't really matter, if there's any ownership then it's a propaganda mouthpiece regardless of all other circumstances.

But as far I can see, authoritarian states tend to have a direct path from their governments' sacred opinion to the eyes and ears of the people, there are levers of direct influence within their media industries that let them directly dictate what the journalists will pretend to report on. One can debate back and forth about how the BBC may suffer from the biases of its British writers, implicit pressure from their government, individual cases of bias and even attempts at government overreach, but despite all of it, none of these infractions would rival even 1/10th of what countries like Saudi Arabia or Russia do with their media. Despite all of their countless issues, the UK still values independence far more than what the Saudis could even dream of. Moreover, the BBC is implicitly checked by having neighboring media outlets with no government ownership, while the countries I listed exercise degrees of total control over the entire industry.

The BBC may in individual instances be biased towards the current sitting government or pro-British views or whatever, but it is not a blind mouthpiece like these other countries. It's not simply a difference in preferring one ruthless government narrative over another.

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Governments spending money on something doesn't mean it works. Bridges to nowhere are totally a thing

> Bridges to nowhere are totally a thing Come on now. It's not nowhere, there's 24 people living on that island, of course that's worth building a $45 million bridge for them[1]. (just the latest silly bridge project here in Norway) [1]: https://www.nrk.no/nordland/nordland-fylkesrad-vil-bygge-bro...

It's at least better value than the once-proposed ~$400 million Gravina Island bridge in Alaska -- to serve 50 residents and an airport

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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You don’t see a difference between a major news outlet from a democratic country which has freedom of speech and an outlet from a religious monarchy which has no notion of free speech or even human rights?

UK does not have Freedom of Speech.

It does if your reference point is Saudi Arabia.
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