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Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by CMay »

hearsathought wrote: post #166
CMay wrote: post #118

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You don't need a crazy fast connection for most of this automation stuff, because it has to be able to operate offline successfully to start with. Any dark factory should be running on its own wireless network anyway, not some cellular network. Who would do that? Even for a local wireless network, why would a Huawei router be any better? To me, this was never about 5G or 6G. This was always about CCP controlled netwo…

The good old ccp rule. You can tell how deranged a comment is by the number of times it has "ccp" in it. > CCP wasn't absolutely psycho and immoral As opposed to what? The US? The EU? Germany? Seems like the CCP is the least psycho and immoral of the bunch. > but few countries are as bold or blatant as China in this regard. China is the least bold and blatant out of the major players. > Nobody is worried about most o…

The reason I specify the CCP specifically rather than always stating China, is because the government is not "of", "by" and "for" the people. There are many Chinese people and only a small fraction of them are part of that government structure. The propaganda battle around whether Taiwan is a part of China or not also doesn't help.

The rest of your commentary suggests you need to broaden your horizons for where you get information.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by hereme888 »

hereme888 wrote: post #115

Amazing to read in a site full of devs and cybersecurity experts how willing they are to use Huawei's tech despite all the international theft and security issues, some exposed, and but most of it kept under wraps until investigations are complete. And some even shill the conspiracy that the NSA will install backdoors in US equipment... I would like to think it's Chinese agents at work, but most likely it's regular p…

Even worse, apparently Huawei allows the CCP to daily update their nodes, lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfuBdhPJAbU&t=798

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

lazyeye wrote: post #8
NoiseBert69 wrote: post #4

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I'd more say: they made clear rules if you want to play business in China. Europe never set any boundaries. Honestly our fault.

Our leaders in the West have been very naive. Also the Chinese "elite capture" program has been very effective.

You've got the "elite capture" story the wrong way around. Most of the Chinese elite send their children to study in Europe and the US.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

jojomodding wrote: post #160
binarray2000 wrote: post #151

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It is exactly the same in every EU country. Foreigners get registered or must register in person.

Wrong. People that live here (in the EU) need to register. I can stay with friends abroad for some time without having to tell the government, as long as I don't take up residency.

When you check into a hotel in Europe, they ask for your passport. Why do you think that is?

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

applied_heat wrote: post #121
Incipient wrote: post #26

I don't get why Huawei gets specific hate? Shouldn't this equally apply to all Chinese vendors? I wouldn't expect any are less susceptible to government control?

Huawei is often blamed for stealing information from Nortel that led to Nortel’s bankruptcy, both information about deals being made that let Huawei undercut them and technical product details that allowed Huawei to more easily be a substitute for Nortel products

Nortel collapsed long before Huawei even started competing outside of China in any serious way.

Nortel was severely hit by the bursting of the tech bubble, and then it got caught faking its financial figures. To blame that on Huawei is just a rewrite of history.

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Post by hiimkeks »

nguyenkien wrote: post #135
hiimkeks wrote: post #43

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https://archive.is/tDC0W https://archive.is/IQyBG and this was before the US elected an overt fascist

archive.is down. Perhaps you mean archive.today

not for me, in .de using the DNS my ISP assigned me.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by applied_heat »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #175
applied_heat wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huawei is often blamed for stealing information from Nortel that led to Nortel’s bankruptcy, both information about deals being made that let Huawei undercut them and technical product details that allowed Huawei to more easily be a substitute for Nortel products

Nortel collapsed long before Huawei even started competing outside of China in any serious way. Nortel was severely hit by the bursting of the tech bubble, and then it got caught faking its financial figures. To blame that on Huawei is just a rewrite of history.

Allegedly hackers were pilfering Nortel starting around year 2000

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/nortel-hit-by-suspected-chi...

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

applied_heat wrote: post #178
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nortel collapsed long before Huawei even started competing outside of China in any serious way. Nortel was severely hit by the bursting of the tech bubble, and then it got caught faking its financial figures. To blame that on Huawei is just a rewrite of history.

Allegedly hackers were pilfering Nortel starting around year 2000 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/nortel-hit-by-suspected-chi...

If true, how did that have any effect on Nortel? As I said before, Huawei wasn't a serious competitor for Nortel at that point. Nortel's business fell apart (and it started fudging its financials) long before Huawei expanded globally.
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