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My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by bonsai_spool »

switchbak wrote: post #165
bonsai_spool wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is the laziest, most egregious "WeLl AkShUaLlY!!!" comment I've seen in a little while. Like, really embarrassing. And yet I haven't heard how this affects this person's ability to be an endocrinologist. Most of any job is routine busywork—and if ethical purity is the requirement to hold a job that impacts the lives of the public, we may never have a politician (or hospital chief) for the rest of humanity. I a…

"all of this is a non sequitur" ... I'm just speechless here. You're so completely off base there's not even any point arguing with you.

> "all of this is a non sequitur" ... I'm just speechless here. You're so completely off base there's not even any point arguing with you.

I am very specifically responding to the post I saw when I made my post.

Here is an example for the HN crowd.

"I really dislike my pointy-haired-boss project manager. He is unreasonable and terrible at management.

I learned that he was investigated at a previous job in computer science algorithmic research at a University—before he ever worked in industry—and ultimately found not liable for this. I am convinced that this is why I dislike my PHB"

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> I also replied above, so at risk of overextending myself in this thread: you are either too lacking in discernment to effectively have this conversation, or you are willfully arguing in bad faith. You are describing completely different scenarios.

I can't respond to this comment—but if I am "arguing in bad faith" yet responding rationally, we truly cannot have a discussion.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by Spooky23 »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #159
pugio wrote: post #48

I can speak to this. I recently joined a community first responder association (I've always wanted to know what to do in case of a medical emergency) and was shocked to hear the members' horror stories of how long it can take an ambulance to arrive. Like the author, I grew up with the narrative "in trouble, call the ambulance, they'll scream through the streets to get to you in moments". That might still be true wher…

On the ambulance delay time. Have people perchance started calling ambulances for less and less serious matters over time? Thus increasing the calls per capita. I could kind of see that given what I’ve heard about 911, but then again maybe not. Also I feel like 50 years ago people would have been more worried about having some enforcement action taken against them for wasting the 911 line’s time on something inapprop…

Yes, but cities design for that. Urban paid departments have a 7 minute response time or less.

My mom lived in the country, and the sheriff there started a paramedic service and trained deputies as EMTs. It made a huge difference as the paramedics arrive first in most cases.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by grogenaut »

zahlman wrote: post #44
ugh123 wrote: post #5

>my dad is dead, because his family members were too naive to know that the thing they were instructed to do by the state was a false thing. We're told a lot of things by "officials" not because it's correct, but because it holds the least legal liability for official parties involved, especially anything involving healthcare. These officials also sometimes include doctors, who work to protect themselves and the syst…

Okay, but we're also specifically told to wait for ambulances because they can administer certain forms of care within the vehicle, right?

Like most things, it gets pretty complicated. I went through 200 hours of training (EMT) which essentially helps me sort into what makes me go safe, go fast to a medic en route or a hospital, and go fast to a hospital (where a paramedic can't help much or at all). The goal of all Emergency medical personnel is to get people to definitive care (not EMS).

Asking a lay person to know what a BLS (non-EMT fire & police), EMT (Ambulance), Parmedic, or MSO can take care of, or even what the differences are, is, I don't think, super useful. The red vehicle shows up and takes you to care.

In the case of MCI, EMTs can a) give aspirin or nitro (rx), b) have an AED and lots of CPR training but have to stop the vehicle to give effective compressions, c) a radio and the ability to meet up with Paramedics.

Paramedics have more complex treatments (drugs) and EKGs, but it's still 2 folks in a truck, not a hospital. They can do amazing things.

But as the joke goes, sometimes the best treatment is High Volume Diesel Therapy (burn rubber).

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by efitz »

This is not a criticism of the author of the article; I can feel their frustration and the pain of their loss but I don’t have anything to say that can ameliorate that.

I’m coming up on 60 years old. The mindset that many people have now seems to be to wait for someone from the government to help them- whether it’s ambulance, police, health care, food assistance, college, whatever.

Back in the 80s when I was coming of age the mindset among the people around me was different. The mindset of many people today seems more “I’m helpless”.

The government has never been good at anything; it doesn’t have the right organizational incentives and doesn’t give the right personal incentives to employees. I’m not criticizing government employees; there are individuals that do a great job, and from time to time I am delighted with an interaction, but mostly it’s just lots of waiting for mediocre service.

I don’t know how to change a widespread mindset of helplessness, but I suspect that it involves changing laws to remove all the obstacles that government and lawsuits have put in place to helping yourself and helping others.

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