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Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by crazygringo »

sschueller wrote: post #144

No thank you. I am glad that the first eID vote we had on this (in Switzerland) prevented private industry from issuing IDs etc. What we have now (upcoming, after another vote) is an open source[1] non centralized eID issued by the government.[2] Although there are still some problematic points (initial issuance software is not open source and who can ask for the ID is not limited enough) the solution we have now is…

Why "no thank you"?

I am very much thank you. I'm still waiting for Apple to support the driver's license from my state. It will be one less thing to carry.

There are literally no downsides. My state already had me in its electronic database because I'm a driver. The TSA already has me in its electronic database. Apple already knows exactly who I am from my many credit card purchases with them. It's not taking away any privacy. Having my ID on my phone gives me convenience and doesn't take anything away.

Obviously this isn't mandatory nor should it be. Physical IDs aren't going anywhere. But I already keep all my credit cards in my Apple Wallet. I want to keep my driver's license there too.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by rpdillon »

stavros wrote: post #48
pat2man wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this apply to a digital version of an official government ID? The government already has all this data.

I didn't say anything about the data the government has or doesn't have. I'm talking about perfect enforcement. Try faking a digital ID.

Yeah, perfect enforcement is dystopian. I don't think most people understand this, but your point is very well taken.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by crazygringo »

astroflection wrote: post #11
willio58 wrote: post #4

I’m still waiting for the day where 100% of state drivers licenses are supported in wallet and anyone requesting ID are required to accept them. Quite literally the only reason I have a wallet these days is for the drivers license.

Nope. I will continue to have a DL card so I can choose to leave my phone at home. When we are required to have our IDs on our person at all times I can at least not be tracked everywhere I go. Be watchful for legislation requiring: * us to have our ID on our person at all times. * IDs to be issued in digital format only.

> Be watchful for legislation requiring

This is the paranoia I don't get. These are not things that are going to happen in the US, precisely because so many people (like yourself) are against it, and it's a democracy and people vote. So putting your drivers license on your iPhone isn't some slippery slope.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by the_other »

crazygringo wrote: post #173
astroflection wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. I will continue to have a DL card so I can choose to leave my phone at home. When we are required to have our IDs on our person at all times I can at least not be tracked everywhere I go. Be watchful for legislation requiring: * us to have our ID on our person at all times. * IDs to be issued in digital format only.

> Be watchful for legislation requiring This is the paranoia I don't get. These are not things that are going to happen in the US, precisely because so many people (like yourself) are against it, and it's a democracy and people vote. So putting your drivers license on your iPhone isn't some slippery slope.

> These are not things that are going to happen in the US.

Citation needed.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by 6510 »

the_other wrote: post #174
crazygringo wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Be watchful for legislation requiring This is the paranoia I don't get. These are not things that are going to happen in the US, precisely because so many people (like yourself) are against it, and it's a democracy and people vote. So putting your drivers license on your iPhone isn't some slippery slope.

> These are not things that are going to happen in the US. Citation needed.

> it's a democracy and people vote

But they never get what they wanted nor what they voted for.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by ericmay »

crazygringo wrote: post #171
sschueller wrote: post #144

No thank you. I am glad that the first eID vote we had on this (in Switzerland) prevented private industry from issuing IDs etc. What we have now (upcoming, after another vote) is an open source[1] non centralized eID issued by the government.[2] Although there are still some problematic points (initial issuance software is not open source and who can ask for the ID is not limited enough) the solution we have now is…

Why "no thank you"? I am very much thank you. I'm still waiting for Apple to support the driver's license from my state. It will be one less thing to carry. There are literally no downsides. My state already had me in its electronic database because I'm a driver. The TSA already has me in its electronic database. Apple already knows exactly who I am from my many credit card purchases with them. It's not taking away a…

Agreed. And perhaps most importantly it is saving me $35 for that absolute fucking scam that is “Real ID”. Normally I carry my passport when I fly but now I won’t even have to do that.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by vessenes »

tjohns wrote: post #123
frankus wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From that article it looks like all you need to establish a secure connection with the passport is some data that is printed in plaintext on the photo page. It seems (again, if I'm reading correctly) that you only really need a private key in order to issue a passport.

Yes, that's correct. There have been apps on iOS and Android that can read your passport via NFC for ages. As you noted, all you need is the plaintext information printed on the photo page to generate the Basic Access Control key, which will let you connect to the passport's NFC chip. Issuing a passport is a different issue entirely, since you need a country's document signing key.

quick note -- I believe you need a separate key to get biometric data out of the passports, but it's been a while since I looked at passport digital infrastructure.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by stavros »

maratc wrote: post #154
stavros wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did you fake the cryptographic signature QR code?

I was showing a real QR code -- that was issued to a person who wasn't me. As soon as that produced a big green checkmark on anyone's QR scanner, I was in.

Then you're hoping they won't try to match the info on the screen with the info on the paper, which is very easy to foil (just don't skip the check).

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by 6510 »

stavros wrote: post #39

I'm really wary of these initiatives, because perfect law enforcement is how society ossifies. Imagine if we could prosecute all homosexual tendencies when they happened, or all interracial relationships, or any other antiquated law. Society would never progress. What happens if the government can now perfectly enforce that people under 18 can't do X or Y?

While that problem certainly exists we also have countless crooks and con men getting away with it. The criminals are also using technology, all of it.

On one side you have people with multiple video feeds, trackers, wife-jammers, password/data leaks, backdoors, work/private schedules, purchase history, etc, etc for you, your family, friends, coworkers etc etc

On the other side you have law enforcement not knowing which person walked- or which car drove where, not for any location, not knowing which phones were at the crime scene. No access to any relevant camera (if they even exist) no access to chat logs, email, photos people made.

I'm not-at-all arguing they should have access to any of that but we shouldn't be ignorant of the balance between the two.

It seems to me a major pain in the ass if you cant bring your phone when stealing a car, doing a robbery, driving off without paying for gas or harassing people for not living up to your antiquated expectations.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by jcon321 »

crazygringo wrote: post #171
sschueller wrote: post #144

No thank you. I am glad that the first eID vote we had on this (in Switzerland) prevented private industry from issuing IDs etc. What we have now (upcoming, after another vote) is an open source[1] non centralized eID issued by the government.[2] Although there are still some problematic points (initial issuance software is not open source and who can ask for the ID is not limited enough) the solution we have now is…

Why "no thank you"? I am very much thank you. I'm still waiting for Apple to support the driver's license from my state. It will be one less thing to carry. There are literally no downsides. My state already had me in its electronic database because I'm a driver. The TSA already has me in its electronic database. Apple already knows exactly who I am from my many credit card purchases with them. It's not taking away a…

You have no issues with handing over your cell phone to a police officer who pulls you over? I imagine you'll say "all I have to do is present an ID", but what if the officer cannot read it, so he wants to hold it? Okay you wont let him hold it, so he bends down and gets real close to your phone? You know he must verify the address against his database, so you're going to make him write down your address as he walks back to his car? Yea some people cannot afford this type of friction when dealing with police officers.
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