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Re: PlanetScale Offering $5 Databases

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Post by encoderer »

cess11 wrote: post #135
samlambert wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were we supposed to just keep it up until we go out of business or something? Out of sheer duty. Like burn everything we built to the ground to keep the free tier going as long as possible? Endlessly indentured to provide a free service on the internet for people that will never pay us money so that the people that do pay us money can eventually have to move provider too because we are shutting down? I didn't enjoy d…

Yes, that was the promise you made. You said 'besides our commercial offering we're going to support your personal projects you run out of passion, forever' and then you changed it to 'actually, we're going to delete your passion projects unless you pay us money'. You should absolutely regret making that promise. As I understand it you're wrapping hardware at AWS and GCP, and likely have since the beginning, so you s…

“you should absolutely have understood that this was a bad promise”

Absolutely wild to me that you talk to peers like children.

Nobody owes you anything. It’s all best effort.

Re: PlanetScale Offering $5 Databases

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Post by deaux »

AYBABTME wrote: post #169
RagnarD wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty disinclined to ever use PlanetScale when the CEO is here either ignorant of what his company actually said, or actively gaslighting people.

I mean, can you picture some marketing copy somewhere on a website saying something you didn't remember? It's not hard to imagine that not every word ever written about a product tier was remembered by the CEO.

What are you even saying?

This is the bloody pricing page. If I as the CEO of a SaaS startup don't even know what our pricing page says I should step down. That's our offer, that's the most important page we have. Come on now. Writing "free forever" isn't something some rogue marketing intern does, this is a core positioning decision and something you'd absolutely be part of, if not leading, as the founder.

Re: PlanetScale Offering $5 Databases

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Post by impulser_ »

lateforwork wrote: post #68

Databricks Neon [1] has a free tier for their Postgres service. Neon's strength that allows them to offer a free tier lies in their serverless, cloud-native PostgreSQL architecture with a separation of storage and compute resources. This allows Neon to scale compute to zero automatically when the database is idle. [1] https://neon.com

What allows them to offer a free tier is that they are ok with burning and losing money not because of how they built their service.

Even when a database scales to zero someone still has to pay.

Re: PlanetScale Offering $5 Databases

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Post by ksec »

samlambert wrote: post #92
ksec wrote: post #77

I guess this is one of the 2 or 3 things Sam talked about coming till end of year. I wonder what's the other 1 or 2. I also imagine the previous Hobby plan running on Vitess is actually more expensive to run than even this $5 dollar tier, not viable unless it is on Postgres Metal with no HA. I also wish there is a list of non hyperscaler providers with regions that are close to planetscale offering. Last time I check…

Hey ksec, you are right vitess is more expensive to run naturally. Do you host your apps in hertzer or is it a factor of cost? if you email me sam@planetscale.com i can give you free credits for either Vitess or Postgres.

Hi Sam. Thank You for the kind offers. But I will happily pay for the great product and services to support you guys. Just keep up the great work.

Re: PlanetScale Offering $5 Databases

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Post by ksec »

encoderer wrote: post #171
cess11 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that was the promise you made. You said 'besides our commercial offering we're going to support your personal projects you run out of passion, forever' and then you changed it to 'actually, we're going to delete your passion projects unless you pay us money'. You should absolutely regret making that promise. As I understand it you're wrapping hardware at AWS and GCP, and likely have since the beginning, so you s…

“you should absolutely have understood that this was a bad promise” Absolutely wild to me that you talk to peers like children. Nobody owes you anything. It’s all best effort.

It is both strange, fascinating but also wired and scary to watch all of these unfold in real life. Not just on the internet.

In pre 2010 era, we all knew Unlimited Bandwidth, Unlimited Storage was marketing and no one believes it. There is some sort of limit, and as long as we dont get caught it is fine. Free "forever" offering, Unlimited were all best effort. And It isn't just tech, but also politics. I mean they all say it but most wouldn't believe it.

And then we have a whole new generation of people who dont have this as norm anymore. They do believe everything should be free and could be free. Utopia is just around the corner. The cost of anything is so abstracted and muddled they have no idea why anything is priced as such.

Re: PlanetScale Offering $5 Databases

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Post by cess11 »

encoderer wrote: post #171
cess11 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that was the promise you made. You said 'besides our commercial offering we're going to support your personal projects you run out of passion, forever' and then you changed it to 'actually, we're going to delete your passion projects unless you pay us money'. You should absolutely regret making that promise. As I understand it you're wrapping hardware at AWS and GCP, and likely have since the beginning, so you s…

“you should absolutely have understood that this was a bad promise” Absolutely wild to me that you talk to peers like children. Nobody owes you anything. It’s all best effort.

Yeah, you should be very adult and say that when corporations come to you and remind you that they think you owe them something.

Re: PlanetScale Offering $5 Databases

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Post by rkomorn »

ksec wrote: post #176
encoderer wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“you should absolutely have understood that this was a bad promise” Absolutely wild to me that you talk to peers like children. Nobody owes you anything. It’s all best effort.

It is both strange, fascinating but also wired and scary to watch all of these unfold in real life. Not just on the internet. In pre 2010 era, we all knew Unlimited Bandwidth, Unlimited Storage was marketing and no one believes it. There is some sort of limit, and as long as we dont get caught it is fine. Free "forever" offering, Unlimited were all best effort. And It isn't just tech, but also politics. I mean they a…

Maybe the weird part was our generation getting obviously lied to by marketing and being like "this is fine"?

Maybe we shouldn't have been so accepting of long lists of asterisks/footnotes in ads or ToCs that invalidate much of the promotional material?

Re: PlanetScale Offering $5 Databases

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Post by Gathering6678 »

samlambert wrote: post #73
outlore wrote: post #54

Remember when they shafted the free plan, laid off some good people and redesigned their website to look like some garish notepad? Pepperidge Farm remembers...

I remember. It was a very painful moment for everyone involved. I still miss the people who aren't here anymore. I am not happy that it happened but I am also I am very glad to be at a profitable company. I get to work at a company that is growing sustainably surrounded by people I admire. I love our customers and I think in the long run people will root for a company that isn't just lighting money on fire at the alt…

I honestly don't even know about your company before and the only thing I remember now about PlanetScale is the CEO telling HN readers to f off...
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