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Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by monocasa »

cortesoft wrote: post #135
estimator7292 wrote: post #129

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Counter: it's the publisher's fault, not Linux. As you said, the hardware is perfectly capable, and the OS is capable, publishers just refuse to allow it without installing kernel level malware. It's EA's fault that you're required to install a damn rootkit to play a game. It's not the fault of Linux for refusing to allow this. Microsoft shouldn't allow it either, and they will likely shut it down before too much lon…

I am choosing to let them install kernel level software because I want to be able to play multiplayer games without cheaters. There doesn't seem to be any other way that people have found to effectively block cheaters. A user is in full control of their Linux install, which is great... unless I want to play them in a game and they decide to cheat. It is a tradeoff, yes, but one I choose to make because being able to…

> I am choosing to let them install kernel level software because I want to be able to play multiplayer games without cheaters.

Except this way doesn't actually stop cheaters. A quick google shows that there's BF6 hacks for sale if I want to cheat.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by monocasa »

anon7000 wrote: post #131
d3Xt3r wrote: post #108

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> without having cheaters in every game. That's highly debatable. How do you know for certain they aren't using any undetectable cheats (like a driver-level cheat, say an aim assist) or a hardware level cheat? Cheating aside, how do you know that they aren't better than you simply because they've got better hardware? How do you get satisfaction from playing such games when there's so many variables that can affect ga…

Cheating is often very obvious, even when the player is on your team. It’s when multiple improbable, too-perfect situations happen for the cheater in the same game. But that’s beside the point. Gaming companies who produce competitive online games know that the competitive scene will die very quickly if there is rampant, unaddressed cheating. This is why kernel-level anticheat exists. When you have a free to play gam…

> Cheating is often very obvious, even when the player is on your team.

It's obvious when it's obvious. But when it's not obvious, it's tautologically not obvious. And it still exists.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by thefz »

klipklop wrote: post #31

I know this is extreme, but people buying these Xbox handhelds over a Steam Deck are directly harming the future of gaming on PC. It's time that the PC gaming ecosystem breaks free from its dependency on Windows. Proton and SteamOS, combined with the unpopular mess that is Windows 11 is the perfect opportunity to do so. The long-term end goal for Microsoft is to lock down Windows and force signed code. Once users are…

> It's time that the PC gaming ecosystem breaks free from its dependency on Windows. Proton and SteamOS, combined with the unpopular mess that is Windows 11 is the perfect opportunity to do so.

Looking at the Deck's popularity, the PC gaming ecosystem alreadyd did break free.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by teamonkey »

Uvix wrote: post #54
Gigachad wrote: post #44

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This is not true of SteamOS and Bazzite. The entire OS is controller supported. I have my desktop running Bazzite plugged in to the TV with no kb/m. Can do everything from updating the system, changing the screen resolution, formatting sd cards, etc with just a controller.

How do you install non-Steam games (e.g. from GOG)? Last I tried that still required dropping to desktop mode and using mouse/keyboard.

Heroic Launcher requires dropping down to desktop mode once to install the app. Once installed properly it appears as an app inside Steam, which you can launch and then install and play your GOG and Epic games.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by d3Xt3r »

pjmlp wrote: post #161
klipklop wrote: post #31

I know this is extreme, but people buying these Xbox handhelds over a Steam Deck are directly harming the future of gaming on PC. It's time that the PC gaming ecosystem breaks free from its dependency on Windows. Proton and SteamOS, combined with the unpopular mess that is Windows 11 is the perfect opportunity to do so. The long-term end goal for Microsoft is to lock down Windows and force signed code. Once users are…

I keep telling folks that Proton was a mistake and SteamDeck will suffer the same fate as netbooks. FOSS folks don't get that the gammer culture does not overlap with FOSS, everyone is cool with NDAs and IP, it is all about the experience in that realm. The call to migrate in droves to Linux has been happening since a unpopular Windows version comes out, since Windows XP, and still Valve had to come up with Proton, a…

I hear you, but at the same time, you can't deny the amount of improvements the Linux ecosystem has seen due to Valve's involvement: tons of AMD-related improvements in the kernel, tons of mesa/radeon improvements, massive improvements in KDE, improvements to Arch etc. Not to mention lots of other contributors riding the wave and contributing things like drivers for gamepads and other bits, making power user tools like LACT/OCCT etc.

Linux hardware compatibility has never been as good, and I suspect a lot of it is due to so many gamers trying Linux on a myriad of systems and submitting bug reports. I've also seen some folks in some communities go from complete Linux noobs to actually making FOSS software. We've also seen some very innovative distros being born as a result of all this hype (Bazzite, the uBlue family, CachyOS etc). So you can't deny the massive impact Valve has had on the overall ecosystem, and personally I think that's a good thing - even if Proton doesn't exactly sit well with FOSS ideals.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by pjmlp »

d3Xt3r wrote: post #175
pjmlp wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep telling folks that Proton was a mistake and SteamDeck will suffer the same fate as netbooks. FOSS folks don't get that the gammer culture does not overlap with FOSS, everyone is cool with NDAs and IP, it is all about the experience in that realm. The call to migrate in droves to Linux has been happening since a unpopular Windows version comes out, since Windows XP, and still Valve had to come up with Proton, a…

I hear you, but at the same time, you can't deny the amount of improvements the Linux ecosystem has seen due to Valve's involvement: tons of AMD-related improvements in the kernel, tons of mesa/radeon improvements, massive improvements in KDE, improvements to Arch etc. Not to mention lots of other contributors riding the wave and contributing things like drivers for gamepads and other bits, making power user tools li…

Great more distros, just what The Year of Linux Desktop needs.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by dijit »

pjmlp wrote: post #170
dijit wrote: post #168

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its not that easy, Androids userland is pretty far from a valid Linux target, there’s a lot of platform hand holding that exists.

It is the same in what matters, ISO C and ISO C++ support, OpenGL ES, Vulkan, OpenSL ES and OpenMAX. Much closer than porting Win32/DirectX, LibGNM(X)/OrbisOS and so on.

I think a better comparison would be porting a game from PC to XBox.

Technically the renderers and kernels are the same, but almost everything else, from debuggers and SDKs to peripherals is different.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by Telaneo »

Uvix wrote: post #155
Telaneo wrote: post #66

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DRM is optional on Steam. The dev can opt to not include it, and the default Steam DRM is trivially bypassed anyway. Valve barely does any gatekeeping that isn't caused by outside pressure, i.e. Visa and Mastercard in the latest instance, which they're atleast trying to fight back against, from what I can tell.

There's no way to identify ahead of purchasing a game whether or not it's got DRM. Valve has been gatekeeping long before this year's Visa and Mastercard crackdowns. It's been an ongoing problem since at least 2018. They'll flunk a title at review without telling the developer what they did wrong, or even allowing them to resubmit with adjustments. I don't see any sign of them fighting.

> There's no way to identify ahead of purchasing a game whether or not it's got DRM.

For Steam's own DRM I do believe that to be true, but mostly not a problem, since Steam's DRM is just there so that the DRM checkbox is ticked. Any user can bypass it if they care, and the ones who do go to GOG for their games.

For DRM beyond that, this isn't true. Denuvo and Securom is listed on store pages for games that have it, and the same goes for kernel-level anti-cheat.

PCGamingWiki has a good list outside of that,[1] but from what I can tell, Steam has a warning about DRM on all the store pages listed there.

> I don't see any sign of them fighting.

Quoting this article:[2]

> Apart from that, both Valve and Itch.io explicitly stated that payment processors are the reason games were deindexed or removed from sale entirely.

Given that Visa and Mastercard some pretty big giants, I'd say they're making a fight of what they can. Valve's hardly to blame. They're just in a bad situation. Blame Collective Shout for starting the ruckus.

[1] https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_third-part...

[2] https://www.pcgamer.com/games/mastercard-deflects-blame-for-...

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by jay_kyburz »

nosrepa wrote: post #76
jay_kyburz wrote: post #56

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I love the idea of my Steam Deck, but most steam games just aren't make for tiny 720 screens. I'm an old man now, I can't read tiny fonts. Also, the face buttons are just to far to the right. My thumb will begin aching after 15 mins or so. Other controllers are far more comfortable. To be honest. I like my Playdate more than my Steam Deck.

Always good to see the playdate mentioned favorably. Excuse me while I try to get higher on the leaderboards for M03k.

I'm 33 on the leader-board for Hyper Meteor!

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by d3Xt3r »

pjmlp wrote: post #176
d3Xt3r wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear you, but at the same time, you can't deny the amount of improvements the Linux ecosystem has seen due to Valve's involvement: tons of AMD-related improvements in the kernel, tons of mesa/radeon improvements, massive improvements in KDE, improvements to Arch etc. Not to mention lots of other contributors riding the wave and contributing things like drivers for gamepads and other bits, making power user tools li…

Great more distros, just what The Year of Linux Desktop needs.

Great more sarcasm, just want the HN community needs.
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