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Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by watwut »

greycol wrote: post #160
watwut wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They're more offensive than hardcore porn. No they are not. Not unless you are intentionally taking in super weird definition of "offensive" or "hardcore porn". And I am saying that as someone who is not Christian and finds a lot of what Christianity stands for off-putting or even unethical. There is a reason people who want quick individual fun go for porn and not for a bible.

It's all about interpretation, which is the point where you mark something as not appropriate for children so that parents can actively make the choice on if their kids should be exposed to it. In this case there's very little argument about whether we want more people following the voice in their head to kill their son, which is from the bible, or having vanilla sex, which is the definition of hardcore porn (as oppo…

> r having vanilla sex, which is the definition of hardcore porn

Which is super weird definition of hardcore porn. No, a vanilla sex appearing in a book does not make it hard porn book.

> people following the voice in their head to kill their son, which is from the bible

A thing that appears in book and stories for kids. Including the ones the kids are taught about in school. And yes I have kids in school.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by Hizonner »

watwut wrote: post #171
greycol wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all about interpretation, which is the point where you mark something as not appropriate for children so that parents can actively make the choice on if their kids should be exposed to it. In this case there's very little argument about whether we want more people following the voice in their head to kill their son, which is from the bible, or having vanilla sex, which is the definition of hardcore porn (as oppo…

> r having vanilla sex, which is the definition of hardcore porn Which is super weird definition of hardcore porn. No, a vanilla sex appearing in a book does not make it hard porn book. > people following the voice in their head to kill their son, which is from the bible A thing that appears in book and stories for kids. Including the ones the kids are taught about in school. And yes I have kids in school.

> Which is super weird definition of hardcore porn.

As far as I know, the definition of "hardcore porn" is and always has been explicit depiction of actual sexual activity (on edit: in a way intended to be sexually arousing to the reader/viewer). In pictures, that generally comes out to genitalia being shown in contact with genitalia or other body parts.

And that's how you do vanilla sex.

What is your super weird definition?

> No, a vanilla sex appearing in a book does not make it hard porn book.

"... and then they had sex" wouldn't. A relatively clinical or relatively expurgated sentence or two wouldn't.

> A thing that appears in book and stories for kids.

What particular book or story do you have in mind here, and exactly what does it say, and how does it present it? Because the Bible presents it as praiseworthy to be prepared to kill your son if you hear God tell you to do it, and gives what it claims is an actual, factual, historical example.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by mminer237 »

mvdtnz wrote: post #80
drewbitt wrote: post #78

NSFW meaning "content that you may not want to view in public", is the Bible or Quran really that?

That's not what NSFW means in this context. > The marked app may contain nudity, profanity, slurs, violence, intense sexuality, political incorrectness, or other potentially disturbing subject matter.

No, he was exactly right. That says "may" because it's just a comment, not F-Droid's actual definition, which you cut out:

> This Anti-Feature is applied to an app that contains content that the user may not want to be publicized or visible everywhere.

https://f-droid.org/docs/Anti-Features/#nsfw

That is clearly not applicable to the vast majority of these apps' users as evidenced by their outrage.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by Hizonner »

stopbulying wrote: post #161
orwin wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The old testament has depiction of rape and violence. If the new testaments is also tagged nsfw though, I'll claim that their sensitivity is too high.

new testament scripture about slavery: https://www.google.com/search?q=new+testament+scripture+abou... new testament scripture about killing women and children: https://www.google.com/search?q=new+testament+scripture+abou... What was "Passion of the Christ" rated, and why?

> new testament scripture about slavery: https://www.google.com/search?q=new+testament+scripture+abou...

Posting Google searches as references is pretty lame.

The New Testament clearly condones slavery, but I think all the stuff telling you to take slaves is in the old.

> new testament scripture about killing women and children: https://www.google.com/search?q=new+testament+scripture+abou...

When I follow that link, every single thing on the page is from the Old Testament.

If I remember right, the worst you get in the New Testament is massive sexism, exhortations to obey authority in things you obviously shouldn't, and threats to throw people into Hell post-death. Oh, and a note from Jesus that the rather draconian laws of the Old Testament still apply, including the parts about stoning people to death for random silly offenses, although he doesn't list them and I think that's mostly been munchkined around.

... but both testaments are canonical and authoritative for most versions of Christianity... it doesn't make that much sense to carve up the book, and none of the apps actually exclude the Old Testament.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by Hizonner »

cakeday wrote: post #127
snthpy wrote: post #85

Seems legit. These topics should not form any part of work or government. What you do in your own time is of course completely up to you, as with any other NSFW content.

The US Constitution's First Amendment protects religion from government. There is no amendment protecting porn or gratuitous violence. Marking the religious apps as NSFW may be a violation of the First Amendment and could potentially be challenged in court, to a potentially huge sum of money and F-Droid's potential detriment.

The First Amendment does not apply to fucking app stores. It applies to the government and only to the government. That does include the government leaning on people, but it does not include editorial or curation decisions made by totally private organizations.

If you tried to take your position to a court in the US, even now, you'd be treated as a frivolous litigant... which, to be clear, means being told to fuck off and not come back.

Please stop posting this kind of ignorance. It burns.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by fragmede »

Hizonner wrote: post #175
cakeday wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US Constitution's First Amendment protects religion from government. There is no amendment protecting porn or gratuitous violence. Marking the religious apps as NSFW may be a violation of the First Amendment and could potentially be challenged in court, to a potentially huge sum of money and F-Droid's potential detriment.

The First Amendment does not apply to fucking app stores. It applies to the government and only to the government. That does include the government leaning on people, but it does not include editorial or curation decisions made by totally private organizations. If you tried to take your position to a court in the US, even now, you'd be treated as a frivolous litigant... which, to be clear, means being told to fuck of…

The Soviet Union had freedom of speech too. It's just that you didn't have freedom after the speech was the problem.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by Hizonner »

fragmede wrote: post #176
Hizonner wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The First Amendment does not apply to fucking app stores. It applies to the government and only to the government. That does include the government leaning on people, but it does not include editorial or curation decisions made by totally private organizations. If you tried to take your position to a court in the US, even now, you'd be treated as a frivolous litigant... which, to be clear, means being told to fuck of…

The Soviet Union had freedom of speech too. It's just that you didn't have freedom after the speech was the problem.

I honestly cannot figure out what you are trying to say here. I don't think you can either.

Nobody is throwing anybody in prison, nor threatening to.

One of the reasons the First Amendment applies only to the government is that, unlike an app store, it can throw people in prison.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by greycol »

watwut wrote: post #171
greycol wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all about interpretation, which is the point where you mark something as not appropriate for children so that parents can actively make the choice on if their kids should be exposed to it. In this case there's very little argument about whether we want more people following the voice in their head to kill their son, which is from the bible, or having vanilla sex, which is the definition of hardcore porn (as oppo…

> r having vanilla sex, which is the definition of hardcore porn Which is super weird definition of hardcore porn. No, a vanilla sex appearing in a book does not make it hard porn book. > people following the voice in their head to kill their son, which is from the bible A thing that appears in book and stories for kids. Including the ones the kids are taught about in school. And yes I have kids in school.

I always viewed it as It's more that it's distinct from softcore porn which if you look up is more nudity and maybe simulated sex acts vs actual explicit sex acts which was accepted as hardcore porn no matter how vanilla. I'm happy to concede the meaning may have drifted as access to explicit porn became more widespreasd and softcore porn lost cultural relevance but even in that case I expect a large chunk of parents would be happier with their kids thinking rough sex is fine rather than thinking self circumcision with a rock or following voices that tell them to kill is ok.

>A thing that appears in book and stories for kids

Sure but does it appear as a moral good thing to do? If it does is it because the voice in the head is telling them to kill evil doers rather than innocents? You can see why you'd want to have a discussion with your kids about it just like you'd hopefully have a discussion about what they may see in porn not being real/healthy for most relationships. This is obviously at age appropriate times, there's a good reason kids aren't being told about Sodom and Gomorrah in all it's detail in kindergarten, why cartoons of the story of the Ark don't focus on the babies drowning as mothers struggle to swim holding them above their heads before succumbing to exhaustion or the cold... only to continue to exist forever in eternal torment.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by lern_too_spel »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #95

What is the funniest is that this is the action of a social justice warrior on a crusade, exhibiting the exact same behaviour he purports to be against.

Consistency? How do you propose allowing smut and violence from some religions without allowing it from others? If there are existing rules, they should be applied consistently.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

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Post by nilslindemann »

HK-NC wrote: post #109
nilslindemann wrote: post #105

Freedom of religion is a fundamental right. Tagging a religious book or a reader of such as "NSFW" means, declaring it as "not normal". Declaring something, which is a fundamental right, as not normal, is discrimination.

But religions are only normal once they have numbers, theres no judgement on the content. These cults just have to survive and thrive long enough to become normalised.

You can see everything as a cult. Science, with its cultic belief that everything is a particle also just survived long enough to become normal. The question is, are members of one cult wise enough to accept other cults, or are they so insecure that they have to tag them with "NSFW"?
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