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Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by ToValueFunfetti »

anigbrowl wrote: post #143
Seattle3503 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if you are just shilling for polluting billionaires. What an acidic thing to fling. I want us to build infrastructure. Nowhere did I say we need do whatever Musk says. I want us to use cost-benefit analysis to judge infrastructure projects rather than the heavy moral framing we get a lot.

It's a parody of your comment, which ascribes all environmental regulation to NIMBYs. If you blow a raspberry and someone blows a similar one right back at you, maybe you earned it.

>It's not clear if these violations actually represent a real environmental hazard or are more reflective of NIMBY degrowth sentiment.

>it's not clear if you know what environmental regulations are or if you are just shilling for polluting billionaires.

This is pretty clearly an escalation beyond what you're describing.

e: Because you did already read these lines, I guess I should spell this out: the former says we can't trust this datapoint as reflecting the issue we're concerned about; the latter says that the former person is either completely ignorant about the subject matter or lying due to corruption. The former is disagreeable; the latter is an ad hominem assuming bad faith against HN guidelines.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by leetharris »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #164
leetharris wrote: post #157

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Musk uses his resources to lobby against mass transit in America. He is degrowth in ways that suit his selfish preferences (contracts for his companies over better alternatives, and wanting to avoid any proximity to other Americans in public). edit due to rate limiting: Yes Musk is one of the reasons we don't have high speed rail in California at least. He admitted to creating Hyperloop as a fake and hopeless project…

Ok so Musk is the reason mass transit isn't a success?

So why didn't we get mass transit before Musk was rich?

In Austin we approved an enormous rail project and the taxpayers approved billions to build it. Years later, they have descoped it by 75% and they haven't even come close to delivering that small bit they reduced it down to.

Was that Musk too? Or is overregulation destroying our ability to innovate?

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by cheschire »

owenthejumper wrote: post #168
enaaem wrote: post #131

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Indeed! I think the Vegas loop has immense potential. There are many ways we can iterate on this concept. Perhaps we can use bigger cars, in a bus like shape to transport more people at once. Or we could remove the batteries to save cost and weight and supply the cars with an external power source. There is immense potential here and I believe this will revolutionise transport.

so, a subway?

Sounds like you got the joke.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by jmuguy »

leetharris wrote: post #161
jmuguy wrote: post #144

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What technology and progress has the boring company enabled?

A breakthrough in tunnel cost and speed per meter. Have you read into this at all or is this just another snarky comment?

I've seen Musk and TBC make those claims, I haven't seen evidence from the industry that they're actually having an impact.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by cheschire »

leetharris wrote: post #159
MrDarcy wrote: post #90

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They aren’t just trying shit in the real world, they are literally boring holes into it causing significant harm to people and the environment.

Can you list the significant harm to people and the environment? I read the article and I'm struggling to find anything.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26184164-tbc-state-l...

Looks like its mainly related to waste water and not cleaning up after themselves.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by Supermancho »

leetharris wrote: post #161
jmuguy wrote: post #144

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What technology and progress has the boring company enabled?

A breakthrough in tunnel cost and speed per meter. Have you read into this at all or is this just another snarky comment?

Almost every bored tunnel project has unique constraints. Lots of breakthroughs could be achieved by ignoring regulations and external considerations. This is not innovation or a particularly interesting result.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by rafterydj »

leetharris wrote: post #158
rafterydj wrote: post #110

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everybody knew and voiced their knowledge before, during, and after the Vegas tunnel that Boring Co and the Hyperloop were just bad concepts. You didn't need to waste money to try it, because it's not new tech. It's a tunnel. It's a solution to traffic. It's for riders, not drivers. But instead of calling it a train and therefore being _lame_, you slap a fresh coat of paint on it with _self driving cars_ and _insane_…

Ok, so they should build a train/subway. Who has done this? Is anyone doing it? If not, why? Should we stop all other projects that are short of the perfect solution?

This is why I use the phrase "sucking all the oxygen out of the room" where the proverbial oxygen is funding:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail#Hyp...

Musk literally admitted he wanted to block progress on new rail projects, and the Hyperloop was his PR project to do so. Snake oil.

There are many people who want new train infrastructure. Musk is not one of them.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by abvdasker »

leetharris wrote: post #169
abvdasker wrote: post #162

At this point we all know Musk only did this as part of his general "hyperloop" boondoggle to kill California high speed rail. Why do we have to continue to pretend this was anything other than an idiotic PR stunt?

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> If only it weren't for those few tweets, it would be successful and done by now.

Not what I said. I said he did it to try and kill high speed rail, not that he was solely responsible for its failure. And Musk did a whole lot more than tweet.

Just because you are ignorant of the significant evidence that this was (and remains) Musk's goal doesn't mean it isn't true. Ashlee Vance wrote about this way back in 2015: https://x.com/parismarx/status/1167410460125097990 . Just this year he used his involvement in DOGE to cut federal funding for what remains of the project: https://gizmodo.com/musks-doge-takes-aim-at-california-high-...

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by Supermancho »

lukan wrote: post #72
torstenvl wrote: post #48

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Do you think that isn't how it works? The guy who gets busted for possession of 1g of cocaine might get 10-30 days, depending on jurisdiction, judge, and prior record. Do you think the dealer who gets caught with 5 kilos gets between 137 and 410 years?

"1g of cocaine might get 10-30 days" Source please. Otherwise there is a significant difference between using and selling.

>> "1g of cocaine might get 10-30 days" > Source please.

Google: how many days of jail time 1 gram cocaine california

As with many legal questions, the matter of jurisdiction comes into play. Possession of any amount in Texas, is supposed to dictate a higher length sentence on average. Florida, heavier than CA but far less than TX guidelines. In actuality, courts tend to sentence based on defendant history and current political climate.

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