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Re: Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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Post by layer8 »

seu wrote: post #6

The fact that the AT Protocol relies on everyone having a domain name, which is a centralized system over which few people have control, and about whose workings most people have no clue about, is problematic. Also impractical, once we consider that - as far as I can understand - 8 billion people should have their own domain name.

There are around 10^99 different possible domain name labels (the part between the dots), so I don’t quite see the impracticality. Even going the route of Reddit’s autogenerated usernames like Eloquent-Salad9443.net would be viable.

Re: Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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Post by tayo42 »

mrbombastic wrote: post #100
pavlov wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “Applying for a job or apartment or anything today means creating endless pointless copies of your pesonal information in databases across the world that will eventually be neglected, hacked, exploited, sold off etc” This problem is practically fixed in the EU (to the extent that legislation can fix it). Data protection laws have enough teeth that real companies can’t afford to keep or sell customer information ill…

Yes just make user data hoarding and targeted advertising a nonviable business model, and watch the horrible secondary effects start to dissipate. it requires a lot of political will that currently isn’t there but we have become too resigned in the US that things can’t change. I still hate cookie banners though :).

Idk if it's the thought that the US can't change things, but these concerns are mostly hypothetical for almost all people.

How are real people's lives being effected by these problems?

Re: Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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Post by afpx »

mrbombastic wrote: post #100
pavlov wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “Applying for a job or apartment or anything today means creating endless pointless copies of your pesonal information in databases across the world that will eventually be neglected, hacked, exploited, sold off etc” This problem is practically fixed in the EU (to the extent that legislation can fix it). Data protection laws have enough teeth that real companies can’t afford to keep or sell customer information ill…

Yes just make user data hoarding and targeted advertising a nonviable business model, and watch the horrible secondary effects start to dissipate. it requires a lot of political will that currently isn’t there but we have become too resigned in the US that things can’t change. I still hate cookie banners though :).

That will never happen as long as people are terrified with anxiety from continuous media exaggeration and "Security and Defense" are hidden behind thick veils and dark budgets.

Re: Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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Post by xandrius »

pessimizer wrote: post #73
xandrius wrote: post #61

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If even the people who experience a different time gives up because "nothing changes" then it's truly over. We need to do what we preach: sure, things are worse in certain things but for sure setting up a local network with top-level open source self-hosted alternatives is the easiest it has ever been ever. Also I think people forget to realise that the type of people who were online in the 90s are still online, many…

> We need to do what we preach You start. edit: I have no idea what people think they're talking about when they're like "people should just" and "you should just." The cage is not all in your mind, dude; it's an actual cage, guarded by people with guns.

Ok, done. You next.

Re: Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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Post by layer8 »

crazygringo wrote: post #170
layer8 wrote: post #165

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The right granted by the TOS elapses when you cancel the respective service, or when you revoke your consent (in which case the service provider may possibly cancel the service). (Some TOS are also simply illegal to begin with.) That’s what the GP is referring to.

No they don't. I don't know where you've gotten that information, but none of it is correct. I mean, a TOS could be written that way. But they're generally not, because companies don't want to self-impose limits like that. The TOS usually has something like "grant the platform a perpetual, worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license to host, display, distribute, modify, and otherwise use that content in connection…

A TOS cannot override https://gdpr-info.eu/art-17-gdpr/.

Re: Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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Post by anonbuddy »

tayo42 wrote: post #172
mrbombastic wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes just make user data hoarding and targeted advertising a nonviable business model, and watch the horrible secondary effects start to dissipate. it requires a lot of political will that currently isn’t there but we have become too resigned in the US that things can’t change. I still hate cookie banners though :).

Idk if it's the thought that the US can't change things, but these concerns are mostly hypothetical for almost all people. How are real people's lives being effected by these problems?

centralisation of power leads to fascism and historically people didn't really like that ie 2. WW

Re: Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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Post by crazygringo »

layer8 wrote: post #175
crazygringo wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No they don't. I don't know where you've gotten that information, but none of it is correct. I mean, a TOS could be written that way. But they're generally not, because companies don't want to self-impose limits like that. The TOS usually has something like "grant the platform a perpetual, worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license to host, display, distribute, modify, and otherwise use that content in connection…

A TOS cannot override https://gdpr-info.eu/art-17-gdpr/ .

And the GDPR doesn't apply outside the EU.

It sounded to me like you were making a general statement about TOS's.

Re: Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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Post by oblio »

mjevans wrote: post #145
oblio wrote: post #137

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IRC doesn't offer multi device, high availability log archives. IRC doesn't offer a lot things, actually. Fairly sure the standards don't offer persistent identity.

All the things you describe are achieved via 'bouncers' or dedicated clients living in a server that an impermanent consumption device like a mobile phone might be able to connect to. No, they're not native to the protocol, nor are they required. However it's an open protocol. You are free to pick from a number of solutions that compose that goal.

I don't want to compose anything and neither does 99% of the world. It's a non solution and we're having the Dropbox announcement discussion 15 years later.

Re: Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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Post by [deleted] »

coldtea wrote: post #97
pavlov wrote: post #76

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> “Applying for a job or apartment or anything today means creating endless pointless copies of your pesonal information in databases across the world that will eventually be neglected, hacked, exploited, sold off etc” This problem is practically fixed in the EU (to the extent that legislation can fix it). Data protection laws have enough teeth that real companies can’t afford to keep or sell customer information ill…

> This problem is practically fixed in the EU (to the extent that legislation can fix it). Data protection laws have enough teeth that real companies can’t afford to keep or sell customer information illegally Not even close to the case for any big player. It just exists as a moat for smaller companies.

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Re: Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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Post by Workaccount2 »

jodrellblank wrote: post #155
Workaccount2 wrote: post #91

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Everyone wants "free ad-free no tracking no payment" Internet. Nobody wants to compensate anyone for it, and therefore nobody wants to host it. Then the people who have not viewed an ad or paid a subscription in 20 years complain that the internet sucks and we need to go back to IRC and chan boards. As if ideologically non-paying customers have a voice worth listening to.

> " As if ideologically non-paying customers have a voice worth listening to. " Do people who ideologically refuse to spend money on meat-foods have nothing worth listening to about animal welfare? Who don't spend money on airline flights have nothing worth listening to about climate change? Who avoid companies which use slave labour in their supply chains have nothing worth listening to about human rights? 'Money ta…

The thing is that they still use the services/products. It's just ad-blocking and piracy.

So to follow your analogy, they eat meat by stealing it, and feel like they are sending a message about animal welfare.

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