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Sora Update #1

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Post by majewsky »

minimaxir wrote: post #11
nojs wrote: post #9

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Where did you get that figure from?

It’s more a ballpark since exact numbers vary and OpenAI could be employing shenanigans to cut costs, but in comparison, Veo 3 which has similar quality 720p video costs $0.40/second for the user, and Sora’s videos are 10 seconds each. Although Veo 3 could cost more or less to Google than what is charged to the user. I suspect OpenAI’s costs to be higher if anything since Google’s infra is more cost-efficient.

Sora 1 is slightly more expensive than Veo 3, at $0.50/second: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/cognitive-... (select "US East 2" as region; not all regions have Sora).

Though again, caveat: Those are API prices. The real prices could be both lower (if there is a profit margin) or higher (if they are subsidized).

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Post by moduspol »

ineedasername wrote: post #50
timschmidt wrote: post #31

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Cue an open weights model from Qwen or DeepSeek with none of these limitations.

These attempted limitations tend to be very brittle when the material isn’t excised from the training data, even more so when it’s visual rather than just text. It becomes very much like that board game Taboo where the goal is to get people to guess a word without saying a few other highly related words or synonyms. For example, I had no problem getting the desired results when I promoted Sora for “A street level vie…

I can get it to do rides at Disney World (including explicitly by name) but it’s incredibly good at blocking superheroes. And that’s gotta be a pretty common prompt, yet I haven’t seen that kind of content in the feed, either.

And not just by name. Try to get it to generate the Hulk, even with roundabout descriptions. You can get past the initial (prompt-level) blocking, but it’ll generate the video and then say the guardrails caught it.

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Post by vivzkestrel »

simianparrot wrote: post #90

> In particular, we'd like to acknowledge the remarkable creative output of Japan--we are struck by how deep the connection between users and Japanese content is! Translation from snake speech bs: We've been threatened by Japanese artists via their lawyers that unless we remove the "Ghibli" feature that earned us so much money, and others like it, we're going to get absolutely destroyed in court.

can we get an AI model that translates all CEO speeches with from snake oil salesman BS to direct talk please?

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Post by fragmede »

estearum wrote: post #169
Kiro wrote: post #167

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Friends, family, coworkers, my own, random posts online, everywhere.

Ah yes, the very normal activity of showing your coworkers your hobbyist art! Is this happening a couple dozen times per day?

Via Instagram, while they're showing off pictures of their kids and their hobbies... yes? Do you show only your coworkers, what, system diagrams of work things making the between work times still also about work?

Different places have different cultures, apparently your coworkers aren't to know anything about you beyond what's necessary for them to work with you, but across the whole world, not everywhere is like that, and it seems unnecessary to state that you don't live in such a place in that way.

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Post by Kiro »

estearum wrote: post #169
Kiro wrote: post #167

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Friends, family, coworkers, my own, random posts online, everywhere.

Ah yes, the very normal activity of showing your coworkers your hobbyist art! Is this happening a couple dozen times per day?

It happens quite often, yes. They are concept artists and designers but they share their own stuff. And just now I opened up Discord and skimmed through some art, pixel art and drawings channels in the many servers I'm in and saw a lot of art that I doubt anyone is trying to sell. People just love to share their creations.

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Post by simianparrot »

brandon272 wrote: post #53

Obviously, OpenAI could have had copyright restrictions in place from the get-go with this, but instead made an intentional decision to allow people to generate everything ranging from Spongebob videos to Michael Jackson videos to South Park videos. Today, Sora users on reddit are pretty much beside themselves because of newly enabled content restrictions. They are (apparently) no longer able to generate these types…

Considering that these models are trained on existing data to remix it means that when you shackle their ability to remix existing IP’s they’re practically useless because there’s little originality if any to squeeze out of them to begin with.

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Post by mdrzn »

Jordan-117 wrote: post #7
minimaxir wrote: post #2

Yeah, Nintendo called, and faster than expected. > People are generating much more than we expected per user, and a lot of videos are being generated for very small audiences. What did OpenAI expect, really? They imposed no meaningful generation limits and and "very small audiences" is literally the point of an invite-only program.

Current limit seems to be 100 per rolling 24 hour period, so not unlimited but definitely huge given the compute costs.

It has already been lowered to 30 per 24 hour period, and maximum 3 concurrent generations instead of 5.

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Post by surrTurr »

workfromspace wrote: post #154
surrTurr wrote: post #92

> launch new sora update > enable generating ghibli content since users are ADDICTED to that style > willingly ignore the fact that the people who own this content don't want this > wait a few days > "ooooh we're so sorry for letting these users generate copyrighted content" > disables it via some dumb ahh prompt detection algorithm > dumb down the model and features even more > add expensive pricing > wait a few mon…

I'm new to Sora. Which step are we in at the moment?

> disables it via some dumb ~~ahh~~ ass prompt detection algorithm

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Post by estearum »

Kiro wrote: post #175
estearum wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, the very normal activity of showing your coworkers your hobbyist art! Is this happening a couple dozen times per day?

It happens quite often, yes. They are concept artists and designers but they share their own stuff. And just now I opened up Discord and skimmed through some art, pixel art and drawings channels in the many servers I'm in and saw a lot of art that I doubt anyone is trying to sell. People just love to share their creations.

Yes if you are friends with and deeply networked with professional artists and designers, you'll see a lot more hobby art. Most people are not friends with even one (never mind several) professional artists though.

This scenario is irrelevant to my main thesis anyway, which is that people principally do not develop artistry to the levels required for strangers to care about it without doing so as a professional pursuit.

That you get to see the exhaust and byproducts of such a professional pursuit isn't a point against it.

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