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Social anxiety isn't about being liked

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Re: Social anxiety isn't about being liked

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Perhaps this is controversial, but I think this is a mostly male way of expressing affection. Women observing this sometimes conclude that men are horribly cruel to each other.

Only some kind of men behave like that. I had many friends growing up and we never did that sort of thing, and it always put me off to see people who did.

Yeah I think in America it's a pretty distinctly East Coast thing. I grew up in Southern California and had to travel a lot for work, and it was super obvious when I traveled to the East Coast and went out drinking with coworkers that I didn't have those banter/shit-talking muscles trained, because nobody in my circles social circles ever really treated each other that way.

They never directed any of it at me because they were emotionally intelligent people, but even so, I did find it kind of annoying and off-putting - it was just a legitimate cultural difference.

Re: Social anxiety isn't about being liked

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I like the comparison to financial risk-aversion. The idea that social anxiety is a system working as designed, just with a different optimization function (avoid downside vs pursue upside), fits well with how behavior often emerges from misaligned incentives rather than "malfunction."

Re: Social anxiety isn't about being liked

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I hadn’t heard the word countersignaling before, but it matches something I had observed many years ago. My closest groups of friends always make so much fun of each other. We make negative comments about the worst traits about each other, the things that we are most self-conscious about… yet every time my friends make fun of me for something I worry about, I actually feel better and more comfortable with myself. Whe…

It's the opposite of conditional acceptance, and probably one of the most stabilizing forms of social support you can have

Re: Social anxiety isn't about being liked

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The problem with using clinical phrases to describe normal behavior is demonstrated in this post. "Social anxiety" has a specific clinical meaning that is not covered by this post. The post is actually discussing a very natural and rational nervousness that normal people have in social situations. The post is providing a way of thinking about that nervousness that can help reduce it, for the nervous person's benefit,…

I do think posts like this can still be valuable for people on the edge

Re: Social anxiety isn't about being liked

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I have social anxiety and it is completely unrelated to likeableness. I do not think people would not like me, I do not try to avoid people disliking me, that's not the point at all. Quite the opposite, I'm sure I'm an interesting person and I'm confident people would like me if I could take the step. Problem is, there is something that physically prevents me from saying "Hi!" to a stranger. I literally cannot get my…

I feel like it's more like a disconnect between intention and action

Re: Social anxiety isn't about being liked

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Neither "wanting to be liked" or "wanting to avoid being disliked" rings true to me, at least as applied to my own social anxiety. I want to avoid being thought of at all. The idea of being liked is just as anxiety-producing as being disliked. Possibly more so. Every relationship with another person, positive or negative, is another cognitive burden to maintain. I would vastly prefer most of my interactions to just r…

Social anxiety is not one uniform phenomenon

Re: Social anxiety isn't about being liked

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I have the same exact experience as you. It's like some weird physical barrier, but I can't really articulate the feeling or explain it. The exposure therapy method here doesn't work because "just do it a bunch of times and you'll get more comfortable" isn't even possible for me, I can't "just do it." For me though, it takes more than a few beers to be comfortable approaching someone. I'd have to be completely sloshe…

Make your own decisions of course, but make sure you are fully educated about the risks of MDMA. It is not generally considered to be a dangerous substance. It is illegal though, and moderation is always prudent.

> It is not generally considered to be a dangerous substance.

Yes, but regular long time use can lead to memory impediments.

Re: Social anxiety isn't about being liked

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100% agree. I used to think there was some cognitive loop I could will my way out of. Then I did Keto and all the sudden it was gone. Keto does a lot to the neurotransmitters in the brain and it clearly balances out things for me and I feel no social anxiety at all. I’m sure cognitive tricks work for some people. They mostly had the opposite effect on me in the long term. I would encourage people to not buy into it t…

Have you got any links to any peer reviewed papers discussing this about Keto?

https://www.metabolicmind.org/ has some of the best info. Research is still early but picking up steam https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/nutrition/articles/10.3...

Re: Social anxiety isn't about being liked

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I agree with you as a general rule. But this is actually pretty close to how Social Anxiety is defined. It's about the fear of being negatively evaluated or embarrassed. For example the DSM definition https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK519712/table/ch3.t12/ or the Mayo Clinic explainer page https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/social-anxiet... . I think what this blog post is getting at is describing for…

> sometimes outgoing autistic children develop social anxiety after their peers reject them repeatedly. As a middle-aged woman who can't figure out what the benefits would be that would outweigh the costs of pursuing formal diagnosis at this stage, I related a lot harder to that line than I wanted to. I've always been extraverted. I always do fine in new interactions, because I'm chronically interested in anything I…

> after about the fourth interaction, something about me registers as "off" to other people and they start to distance themselves from me. I have never understood why

I’m not sure it would be helpful, but have you tried asking anyone?

Re: Social anxiety isn't about being liked

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post #18

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Perhaps this is controversial, but I think this is a mostly male way of expressing affection. Women observing this sometimes conclude that men are horribly cruel to each other.

Only some kind of men behave like that. I had many friends growing up and we never did that sort of thing, and it always put me off to see people who did.

It’s pretty universal. I’ve lived in South, East Asia and the Middle East and it’s very common there.
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